Today's guest has been feted by everyone from Prince Charles to The Guardian newspaper.

He represents one of the deepest thinkers we've had on Zestology, and I wanted to explore with him what type of life we want to lead in 5, 10, and 20 years time.

His book Post Growth explores everything from living through a pandemic, what really matters, whether capitalism is broken and other topics of proper depth.

Stick with it as you'll love it.

I started by asking him a worrying question which was on my mind.

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