In this episode, Jess returns to her conversation with a couple Donna and Alex, who are Jess’s listeners from Florida, creators of a blog called Swinging Through the Ages. Donna and Alex talk about how they have been navigating being swingers for decades and how they managed it without ever coming out to their children. Jess, Donna, and Alex discuss parenthood and if Florida is the most lifestyle state. They talk about their travel plans 

and why they carry upside-down pineapples on their luggage. 

In this episode of Open Late:

• Lifestyle swingers and keeping it private

• Upside-down Pineapple and meeting life-long friends

• Is Florida the most lifestyle-friendly state?

• Wearing wedding bands on the right hand

• Open-minded parenting and knowing your children

Connect with Donna and Alex:

• Website: http://swingingthroughtheages.com

Connect with Jessica:

• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast

• Website: openlatepodcast.com 

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• Open Late Dictionary

Quotes from the episode:

If you can talk openly about your sexuality, and you realize the baseline is somewhere deep, then it is easy to develop such a meaningful friendship. – Jessica Esfandairy

It is human nature, and we all tend to be secretive about it. – Jessica Esfandiary

We are constantly looking for swingers in the wild. The upside-down pineapple is a sign. – Alex

We had a very private swimming pool that was clothing optional. Our kids knew that we were not wearing bathing suits if they were not there. – Alex

I recommend that couples should try dating separately. – Jessica Esfandiary

We experience real happiness, seeing the other one happy. -Alex

I really like how much she enjoyed being with another guy…. And her glow-up afterwards! - Alex

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In this episode, Jess connects with Donna and Alex, a couple from Florida who stand behind a blog called Swinging Through the Ages. Donna and Alex are Open Late listeners who reacted to Jess's stories when she was looking for exciting stories about how people opened up their relationships. They walk us through the beginning of their relationship and what led them to become swingers, finding out about the Desire Resort, and the upside-down pineapple symbol! 

In this episode of Open Late:

Connect with Donna and Alex:

• Website: http://swingingthroughtheages.com

Connect with Jessica:

• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast

• Website: openlatepodcast.com 

• YouTube: Open Late Podcast

• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz

• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp

• Open Late Dictionary

Quotes from the episode:

3:03 You are never too old to get a new lifestyle. – Donna

3:36 If a couple flips our switch and there is chemistry there, age is just a number and is not an issue. – Alex 

7:03 We had a "foursome" friendship with our friends that organically developed into something else. – Donna

8:09 Over time, it moved from just sitting next to each other and holding hands to making out and having oral sex with each other's partners. - Alex

8:40 We were kinda poly-quad before we even knew the term. – Alex

11:53 The entire relationship, we were never full swap. It was always a soft swap. – Donna

13:06 Her gaydar was always off the charts. – Donna

14:49 Back in high school, If I would fantasize, it was always about girls. -Donna

16:01 Labels are interesting because sometimes they are confusing, but sometimes they can be empowering.– Jessica Esfandiary

17:37 I wouldn't say I am BI, but If a guy wants to touch or play with me, I won't jump out of bed and punch him. – Alex

23:56 You can be in the jacuzzi, and it's like a giant cocktail of naked people. – Alex

26:11 People you meet when you are naked become amazing friends. - Alex

29:16 You talk about grandkids, retirement, what you are doing here, as well as where you want to go for dinner and where you want to go to play. – Donna

30:31 If you can talk openly about your sexuality, and you realize the baseline is somewhere deep, then it is easy to develop such a meaningful friendship. – Jessica Esfandairy

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In this episode, Jess welcomes Marsha Molinari to the studio. Marsha is an LGBTQIA+ fashion icon, successful business owner and human rights activist. They talk about the need for more representation and perception of LGBTQIA+ communities. Marsha sheds light on the circumstances of her life before she moved to LA and what led her to become such a big part of HWood Hospitality and Nightlife Group. She opens up about her transition and how your close community can change your life experience. Marsha shares a bit about her dating life and what she expects from her future partner. 

In this episode of Open Late:

Mentioned in the episode:

Trevor Project: https://www.thetrevorproject.org/

GLAD: https://www.glad.org/

Imagine LA: https://www.imaginela.org/

Connect with Marsha:

• Podcast: Marsha! Marsha! Marsha!

• Instagram: @marshamolinari

Connect with Jessica:

• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast

• Website: openlatepodcast.com 

• YouTube: Open Late Podcast

• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz

• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp

• Open Late Dictionary

Quotes from the episode:

4:39 If somebody plays your favorite song in the background, it immediately puts youinto a mood.- Marsha Molinari

6:01 There is so much that happens before the food gets to your table. - Marsha Molinari

12:56 I don't think that being strong takes away from your femininity. - Marsha Molinari

14:26 I specifically told Katy Perry not to tell everyone that I am gay. - Marsha Molinari

15:40 Going along discovering who you are when who you are inherently is taboo in society is challenging. - Jessica Esfandiary

20:47 So many people are told to hide. And if there was more representation when I was young, I might think and have chosen differently. - Marsha Molinari

21:39 I never knew there was a possibility of transition. Because the only representation I saw of transgender girls were sex workers, the murderers, the crazy person. - Marsha Molinari

33:23 He said to me, If they really knew you, they would know that you were always a woman. - Marsha Molinari

43:17 "Marsha in Paris" did it first. - Marsha Molinari

48:01 If you make someone feel good, they are going to have more high-vibration interactions with the people they go to next. - Jessica Esfandiary 

49:35 I have people asking me, "What can I do for you" and I am like "Go do it for somebody else". - Marsha Molinari

56:27 If I would have had somebody to talk to, it would have changed those moments to not hurt as much. - Marsha Molinari

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In this episode, Jess sits down with Chaneé Jackson Kendall, a black queer polyamorous woman, activist, educator and content creator. The two talk about the differences of poly theory vs. poly reality as people who experience polycule life everyday. With 15 years of polyamorous living experience, Chaneé has also brought up her son in a household with multiple mothers and father present. This has only elevated the lifestyle that their family is able to live in many ways, highlighting a shared workload, endless love, and financial freedom. They dig deeper into racial assumptions about polyamory and the importance of culturally competent poly education.

In this episode of Open Late:

• Polyamory Theory vs. Real Polyamorous Living

• What’s a "Mom-glomerate"

• The Benefits of Community Parenting 

• 4 Pillars of Intentional Polyamory

• Healthy Time Away from Your Child

Connect with Michelle:

• Instagram: @chaneespeaks

• Instagram: @blackpolypride

Connect with Jessica:

• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast

• Website: openlatepodcast.com 

• YouTube: Open Late Podcast

• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz

• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp

• Open Late Dictionary

Evita's Episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/open-late/id1587979583?i=1000564831532

Evita's Book:

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/a-polyamory-devotional-evita-lavitaloca-sawyers/1142751200;jsessionid=13E24DE2E77C17FD77A06C03A10696A0.prodny_store02-atgap12?ean=9781990869235&st=AFF&2sid=Linktree%20Pty%20Ltd_100589976_NA&sourceId=AFFLinktree%20Pty%20Ltd

Polyamory and Parenthood by The Daylovers

https://remodeledlove.samcart.com/products/polyamory-parenthood-book

Quotes from the episode:

2:47 People have a conversation about polyamory in the clouds, and I like to have conversations about polyamory on the ground. – Chaneé Jackson Kendall

4:27 When we got married, we had our partners by our side at our wedding ceremony. – Chaneé Jackson Kendall

9:28 I fell madly in love with a woman three months before my husband and I got married. Chaneé Jackson Kendall   

14:50 Our life is not public, but We Are Who We Are everywhere we go. – Chaneé Jackson Kendall

17:46 When our son was three months old me, and my partner fell in love with another woman. – Chaneé Jackson Kendall

18:50 The reality is that the way our current society is set up like even with lots and lots of money, two-parent households are largely unhappy. – Chaneé Jackson Kendall

34:28 I wanted to let other people, who naturally love the way that I love, know that it's not just something that upper-middle-class white people do. – Chaneé Jackson Kendall

 39.09 Whenever you are taking in content, make sure that you never take advice from someone who's not where you want to be. – Chaneé Jackson Kendall

47:21 It is part of our relational culture that we should all have the freedom to date if we desire. – Chaneé Jackson Kendall

48:15 People are always so worried about the kids in polyamory; meanwhile, this is the most over-loved child ever. - Jessica Esfandiary

55:37 When you have something good, you can always be open to better. – Chaneé Jackson Kendall

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To the Open Late Community,

I have a short but important statement that I want to share with all of you. I deleted some podcast episodes last week with an organization where we discussed play parties and their culture. After some new information came to light and I reflected on some of my own experiences, I decided that I was no longer in alignment with that organization, and I felt like I should delete these episodes.

This podcast has been my baby for the last year and a half, and the community we have created together, the episodes I share every week, and the guests I have on the show mean so much to me. The information we share, learn and grow from together is valuable to me. I had to really think about what my intention is and what is the most important thing about the work that I do. I came back to the fact that so many of you trust me. You ask me questions every week, share personal details about your lives with me, and look to me for advice and coaching. If people really trust me, then honesty, integrity, and transparency have to be the utmost important things, and they have to be at the forefront of what I am doing.

The decision I made was not made lightly. I talked to my partners about it, deliberated, went back and forth, and talked to my most trusted chosen family. Ultimately, I came back to honesty and integrity and decided to take down these interviews. It was not the easy thing to do; the easy thing would have been to keep the interviews and separate them from my personal view. But I think doing the challenging thing of opening up and sharing that this is not in alignment and I don't feel comfortable promoting this organization anymore was the right thing to do. Whenever we have challenging conversations, we grow from them, and that's why I'm releasing this statement.

I want you to know that if you listen to or watch those episodes, they're not bad. There's a lot of good information, a great conversation, and some really good listener questions that we answered on the show about the parties and culture. So if you've already listened to them, it's all good. You can definitely take away some things and apply them to your life. However, I took them down because I am no longer in alignment with that organization, and I don't feel comfortable promoting and sending people to their events.

That's all I wanted to share, and I hope that you all take this with whatever meaning it can have for you in your own lives. There's always a lesson to learn, and I'm committed to bringing you amazing guests with amazing content every week for as long as it feels good for me. If you want to be a bigger part of our community, we're always growing, so feel free to join our WhatsApp group "Open Talks," which is a free community where you can ask questions and get advice and coaching. It's a really amazing peer support space. Also, our website is live, and it has had a complete revamp by Nacole, so feel free to check it out. You can access all of our resources there, like our "What's your relationship style quiz?", our dictionary, all of the books and podcasts that I recommend and love, and so much more. Let me know what you think, and I will see you next week on Open Late.

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In this solo episode, Jessica shares her steamy experience from Mexico. Jess and her husband visited an clothing optional couples-only resort for the first time! Jess talks about enthusiastic consent and the special areas and services the resort offers. Jess also opens up more about why the trip was so important and about connecting with her partner more deeply before they bring children into this world. 

In this episode of Open Late:

• Adults and Couples-only Resort in Mexico

• The importance of understanding consent

• Erotic couples massage experience

• Connecting with your partner on a deeper level

• Understanding difference between Strict monogamy and Hot monogamy

Connect with Jessica:

• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast

• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com

• Youtube: Open Late Podcast

• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz

• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp

• Open Late Dictionary

• Asking for a friend (AFAF) Question Form

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• Open Smarter Course

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In this episode, Jess takes us back to her last vacation in Asia when she and Pasha decided to have sex every single day of their 4 weeks together.. Jess talks about what led them to make this decision and why they took up on this "challenge." She shares what they learn from this experience and also about each other. Jess talks about how daily responsibilities can get the best out of you and how falling into the routine can be exciting in new different spaces. 

In this episode of Open Late:

• The downfall of familiarity with your partner

• Understanding and integrating foreplay all day long

• The many ways she spices it up

• The health benefits of having sex on daily

Connect with Jessica:

• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast

• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com

• Youtube: Open Late Podcast

• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz

• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp

• Open Late Dictionary

• Asking for a friend (AFAF) Question Form

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• Open Smarter Course

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In this episode, Jess connects and talks with Michelle Hy, a non-monogamy and polyamorous content creator from Polyamorous while Asian. Michelle opens up about her journey of realizing she is polyamorous with relationship anarchy leanings and what it actually means. They talk about cultural differences and mental and emotional programming. Michelle shares how she prefers to compartmentalize her personal life and her family life. You’ll hear how a pandemic hobby became the platform she uses to educates people about their sexual health and nontraditional relationships.

In this episode of Open Late:

• Cultural programmings affects on sexuality

• Keeping family separate from your personal life and relationships

• Political aspects of relationships and non-monogamy

• Sexually transmitted illness and the stigma that surrounds them

• Sex education (or the lack there of) and the need of more resources

Connect with Michelle:

• Website: https://polyamorouswhileasian.com/

• Instagram: @polyamorouswhileasian

Connect with Jessica:

• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast

• Website: openlatepodcast.com 

• YouTube: Open Late Podcast

• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz

• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp

• Open Late Dictionary

Sex at Dawn by Christopher Ryan

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