TW: Heavy content. Tawny and Lisa talk about Lisa’s search for whether trauma underlies her substance use disorder. They talk about nightmares, looking back at the past, and looking forward.

Music Minute: Tawny recommends “Beautiful Trauma” by Pink and Lisa discusses “Dreams” by Fleetwood Mac.

Relapse is a common conversation in the recovery community. Tawny and Lisa discuss how relapse isn’t black and white, especially for folks in recovery from eating disorders, sex addiction, or other behaviors. When it comes to Netflix binges or online shopping, it can be a fine line between self-care and unhealthy escapism, but Tawny and Lisa share tips on how to distinguish between the two.


Music Minute: The girls share their favorite Bruce Springsteen songs

Tawny and Lisa open up about their journeys to getting on medication for depression and anxiety. This conversation is a classic example of how everyone’s recovery journey is unique and always evolving. The two also stress the value of taking mental health days at work.


Music Minute: Alanis Morrisette’s “Smiling” and their eternal crush on Pete Davidson.

Kate from Seltzer Squad podcast joins Tawny and Lisa as they discuss what it’s like to have a partner who still drinks alcohol. Kate and Lisa talk about having partners who are “normies” with alcohol. They also discuss protecting their own recoveries and finding their voices in conversations with their partners.

In sobriety, it’s common to feel like we’re constantly making up for the time we wasted while we were getting wasted. Lisa and Tawny bond over the feeling of constantly feeling like they’re behind, which leads to feeling exhausted from trying to play catch up.

Lisa and Tawny revisit their reasons for getting sober and how they channeled creativity in their recovery. Lisa wrote a book, Tawny became a freelance writer/blogger, and they started this podcast! The two also discuss the role that “liquid courage” played in their drinking lives and how they found confidence in sobriety.

The Music Minute features “Snow” by the Red Hot Chili Peppers and “Doesn’t Remind Me” by Audioslave

Lisa and Tawny talk about the value of asking for help. Whether it’s for something urgent like needing help getting sober or something mundane like asking for assistance with luggage on an airplane, we can often feel like our problem isn’t worth wasting peoples’ time. In fact, asking for help can make life easier for other people, too! Tawny shares how finding a therapist and support group relieved her friends and family from having to bear all of the weight. The Music Minute features Sheryl Crow and Eric Clapton.

Lisa and Tawny reflect on 2020 while preparing for another sober New Year’s Eve. They talk about what it’s like to be sober during a global pandemic and how their recovery is impacted. They also discuss the importance of making your goals and resolutions as realistic as possible. The Music Minute is all about our current vinyl favorites: The Flaming Lips B-Sides and The Rollings Stones Exile on Main Street.

Khadi is a sober lawyer in NYC who launched the non-profit, Sober Black Girls Club, as a way to provide resources to people of color. She and Lisa discuss the normalization of alcohol culture in law firms then she and Tawny discuss creating their own online sober platforms. SBGC hosts support groups, leads online workshops, provides mentorship, and so much more! Find them at www.soberblackgirlsclub.com and follow them at @soberblackgirlsclub. The Music Minute honors the sexiness of Aubrey Graham...AKA Drake.

Tawny opens up about how having her wisdom teeth pulled triggered extreme relapse anxiety. Lisa shares a story about having wrist surgery and the drama that ensued from potentially being prescribed pain killers. She and Lisa discuss how they sometimes take sobriety for granted—especially during humbling reminders like this. This conversation aims to destigmatize relapse, honoring the fact that it’s a common part of some peoples’ recovery stories. The Music Minute celebrates Queen Stevie Nicks and the greatness of Fleetwood Mac.