Just a heads up, this episode will make you want to refresh your bra and underwear drawer! We're talking Thingies with Lauren Sherman and Chantal Fernandez, the authors of the smart, compelling, and fast-pased book Selling Sexy: Victoria's Secret and the Unraveling of an American Icon.

As mentioned, bra and underwear Thingies incoming! Chantal absolutely swears by the Tom Bra from the brand Mary Jo, and Lauren likes bras from Only Hearts, Notori Bliss underwear, and Bombas UItra Stretch Calf Socks. Also, shoutout to Le Bon Shoppe's Her Socks.

Misc. Thingies include Chantal's go-to assassin's pasta and Lauren's rejection of (most) kids' music.

Want more of Lauren and Chantal? Lauren writes Puck's Line Sheet newsletter and hosts the companion podcast Fashion People, and you can find Chantal's writing in The Cut (see: "The Unbranding of Abercrombie"), for starters.

Friends, you gotta read Selling Sexy: Victoria's Secret and the Unraveling of an American Icon. We are thinking and talking about it a lot, a lot.

Finally, for those intrigued by Soupstack, check out Anne Helen Petersen's 3rd annual soup roundup (4th annual coming…sometime, we'd bet?!). Ella Risbridger of You Get In Love And Then is also testing crowdsourced soups, and Becca Freeman shared her favorites too. A few of our own favorites: Ottolenghi's curried lentil, tomato, and coconut, 101 Cookbook's red lentil with lemon, Smitten Kitchen's carrot with miso and sesame, Thomas Keller's butternut squash.

Actually good: Souper Cubes.

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