In this conversation with Bizzie Gold, founder of Break Method and creator of brain pattern mapping technology, Karena explores how childhood experiences create predictable patterns that shape your relationships, career, and mental health—and how understanding your source belief pattern can help you break free from self-deception and build a healthier life.

Understanding your source belief pattern is the first step toward breaking free from self-deception and building the life you actually want.

(02:05) Brain Pattern Mapping & Bypassing Your Story

1. How Bizzie created a predictive algorithm with 98.3% accuracy
2. Understanding childhood experiences as a "distortion filter"
3. Helping people see their own blind spots

(06:16) The Sweet Spot of Trauma That Makes Great Entrepreneurs

1. Why childhood instability creates self-trust and self-efficacy
2. Developing situational awareness to stay safe and how it translates to business
3. Being able to "think five rings down" when others can't see what's coming
4. Attracting chaotic people because you have too much empathy
5. Why workaholism is easier than intimate relationships for abandonment patterns

(13:47) Enmeshment Patterns & The Right Side of the Spectrum

1. The struggle with self-trust and decision-making
2. Why enmeshed patterns need to learn to disappoint people
3. Understanding why some people can't say no

(27:18) Self-Deception & Why Your Brain Lies to You

1. How childhood patterns create self-deception mechanisms
2. Why Bizzie keeps giving chances to people with bad intentions
3. The lesson: don't let empathy destroy your business from the inside

(40:33) Growing Up with Psychiatric Illness & Finding Your Drive

1. Bizzie's experience with an unstable, abusive childhood
2. Activities and achievement as a distraction from chaos at home
3. Why self-preservation instincts don't come naturally for some patterns

(49:08) Self-Care for Workaholics & Pattern Opposition

1. Why self-care is actually mental health work for go-go-go people
2. Doing things that make you feel accomplished in self-care
3. For avoidant patterns: the opposition is to just do it messy and commit

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What if your worst childhood trauma became the gateway to your greatest gift?

In this profoundly moving episode of The Big Silence, Karena sits down with Susan Grau: soul healer, grief and addiction therapist, and Hay House bestselling author. Her near-death experience transformed a childhood marked by extreme trauma into a life devoted to healing. Susan had a childhood that most people can't imagine surviving. But she’s transformed unimaginable pain into a life of powerful healing. Now a grief and addiction therapist who works with spirits from the other side, Susan shares how she learned to survive by becoming her unstable mother's "ally," how codependency became her survival strategy, and why she believes therapists need lived experience to truly help people heal.

True healing comes from walking through the fire, not just studying it from afar.

(02:43) A Near-Death Experience That Changed Everything

1. Susan's story of being locked in a freezer at age 5
2. Growing up with sexual abuse and trafficking
3. How childhood trauma shaped her entire life journey and awakened her abilities
4. The beginning of her connection to the spirit world

(05:51) Growing Up with a Mother with Mental Illness

1. Susan's mother: borderline personality disorder, seeing spirits, and extreme inconsistency
2. Learning how to stay safe
3. The confusing duality: loving and giving one moment, frightening and abusive the next
4. Why Susan became her mother's "ally" while her siblings didn't understand how
5. Understanding codependency as a survival strategy for children of mentally ill parents

(14:18) Addiction, Alcoholism & A Household of Dysfunction

1. Growing up in a home with addiction, alcoholism, and abuse
2. Her brother’s schizophrenia
3. The unpredictability of never knowing which version of your parent you'd get
4. How dysfunction becomes normal when it's all you know

(27:33) Her Brother's Suicide & Choosing to Become a Therapist

1. Why that loss pushed her toward becoming a grief and addiction therapist
2. The importance of therapists having lived experience with trauma and loss
3. How walking through darkness prepares you to help others find light

(38:13) Why Your Therapist Needs to Have Walked Through Fire Too

1. Why Susan doesn't want to see a therapist who hasn't experienced real trauma
2. The difference between understanding suicide in "study form" vs. "real life form"
3. Why therapists need therapists—and trainers need trainers
4. Holding each other's hands through the healing process

(41:03) Tools for Anxiety, Staying Present & Connecting with the Other Side

1. The power of "coming back to where your feet are" when anxiety hits
2. Redirecting the anxiety pathway in your brain by staying present
3. "What color were the flowers?" Why presence is the key to intuition
4. How to know if spirits are walking beside you

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What if gratitude isn't just something you feel, but something you create more of every time you practice it?

In this grounding Mental Wellness Month meditation, Karena guides you through an 8-minute practice designed to help you reconnect with gratitude for your body, your breath, and your journey. Using breathwork, visualization, and mantras, this meditation invites you to pause and give thanks for all that has carried you to this moment. Perfect for finding beauty in the everyday, shifting your perspective, or simply celebrating all that you have and all that you are.

Gratitude is a practice. And every time you acknowledge it, you create more of it.

(00:00) Finding Your Peaceful Place & Connecting to Beauty

1. Settling into a quiet space, either indoors or in nature
2. Recognizing that you are surrounded by beauty
3. Pausing to give thanks for all that you are and all that has carried you here

(03:30) Bringing Gratitude to Mind & Holding It in Your Heart

1. One thing you're grateful for today
2. Gratitude for your body, your breath, a loved one, a lesson you've learned
3. Understanding gratitude as a practice, a perspective, a way of living

(06:00) Mantras & Radiating Gratitude Outward

1. "I am grateful for my body. I am grateful for this breath. I am grateful for my journey."
2. Letting your gratitude radiate outward into your life and everyday
3. Celebrating all that you have

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What If Your Gut Could Heal Your Mind?

In this deeply personal episode of The Big Silence, Karena sits down with functional medicine pioneer and bestselling author Dr. Will Cole. From growing up with a bodybuilding dad in the '80s to building the first functional medicine telehealth clinic, Dr. Cole shares his unconventional path to becoming one of the most trusted voices in holistic health. He opens up about the gut-brain connection, why psychiatry still ignores the organ it's treating, and how he practices what he preaches. If you've ever felt dismissed by traditional medicine, struggled with anxiety, or wondered why your mental health and digestive issues seem connected, this conversation will validate everything you've suspected and give you the tools to finally heal.

(00:00) From Bodybuilding to Functional Medicine Pioneer

1. Growing up in the '80s with a Gold's Gym-owning bodybuilder dad
2. How his childhood of "crunchy granola" health became his life's work
3. Starting the first functional medicine telehealth clinic 16 years ago

(08:00) Why Doctors Told Karena They "Don't Deal With Mental Health"

1. The devastating disconnect between mental and physical health in conventional medicine
2. Why psychiatry is the only field that doesn't test the organ it's treating
3. The gut-brain connection: how inflammation, microbiome imbalance, and stress show up as anxiety and depression
4. Breaking down the stigma and siloed approach to healthcare

(15:00) The Shame-Inflammation-Trauma Loop No One's Talking About

1. How toxic shame inflames your body and destroys gut health
2. The science behind stress, trauma, and autoimmunity
3. Why unresolved emotional pain manifests as physical symptoms
4. Dr. Cole's personal struggle with anxiety and overthinking
5. The tools that work: vagus nerve stimulation, peptides, nature, and movement

(25:00) When Everything Hit at Once

1. His father's sudden death
2. The "Gwyneth bone broth" controversy
3. Navigating professional chaos while grieving

(33:00) The Real Tools for Anxiety, Stress & Staying Grounded

1. Transcutaneous vagal nerve stimulation: what it is and why Dr. Cole wears it daily
2. The role of peptides in healing and stress management
3. Nature as "God's medicine"
4. Why optimization and healing are messy, nonlinear processes

(40:00) Healing Is Nonlinear: Permission to Be Imperfect

1. The importance of having tools ready when tragedy inevitably strikes
2. Feeling your feelings instead of numbing or distracting
3. How stress and trauma get stored in the body and how to release them

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What if the answer to your racing thoughts isn't fighting them—but watching them float by?

In this week's free meditation for Mental Wellness Month, Karena guides you through a powerful practice designed for anyone whose mind won't shut up. This session teaches you to observe your thoughts without getting swept away by them—whether it's worry, planning, or that relentless inner critic. If you've been feeling mentally overwhelmed or caught in cycles of rumination, this 10-minute practice will help you remember: you are not the noise in your head. You are the one witnessing it.

Peace doesn't come from silencing your mind. It comes from changing your relationship with it.

(00:00) Setting the Intention: Mental Wellness Month & Weekly Meditations

1. Creating space for mindfulness, stress reduction, and mental well-being
2. Perfect for seasoned meditators and complete beginners alike

(02:00) The Stream Visualization: Watching Your Thoughts Like Leaves on Water

1. Finding stillness in your body and releasing physical tension
2. The powerful metaphor of sitting beside a stream
3. Learning to notice thoughts (worry, planning, self-doubt) without catching or fixing them
4. Understanding that you are the observer of your thoughts

(06:00) Anchoring in Awareness: Returning to Presence

1. Repeating the mantra: "I am not my thoughts. I am the awareness behind them."
2. Understanding that 80,000-100,000 thoughts per day is normal
3. Using breath as your anchor

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What if breaking your family’s silence was the first step to truly finding yourself?

Author and educator, Dr. Joan Sung, joins Karena in Austin for a candid conversation about identity, intergenerational trauma, and what it really takes to prioritize mental health, especially within Asian American family systems. From the model minority myth to “tiger mom” dynamics, fetishization, and going “no contact”, Joan shares the tools, boundaries, and mindset shifts that helped her reclaim her story and raise her son with compassion and strength. She also opens up about therapy, inner-child work, and why an “emo tour” became her unexpected self-care.

Stripping away expectation starts with telling the truth about your past, your pain, and your needs, so you can build a life rooted in self-trust rather than approval.

1. Treat creative expression as catharsis
2. Expect to re-encounter trauma
3. Save old pages; fragments from earlier life chapters can become anchors
4. Name your “why”: sharing openly helps others feel seen (and keeps you honest).

1. Learn the history so you can spot manipulation
2. Reject perfectionism as belonging; create your own definition of “enough”
3. Call out gendered stereotypes that penalize Asian women who self-advocate
4. Practice bias disruption at work

1. Reframing care as protecting the whole family line
2. If talking feels foreign, blend modalities to ease in
3. Name intergenerational trauma so symptoms stop looking like “character flaws”
4. Education heals: how learning context validates present pain

1. Separate love from achievement: high standards without shame build resilience, not anxiety
2. Choose attunement over fear
3. Replace internalized critics with compassionate coaching language
4. Measure success by nervous-system safety

1. “No contact” isn’t punishment; it’s acknowledging your capacity and choosing safety
2. Expect pushback; your healing doesn’t need consensus
3. Grief comes with relief and tending to the inner child who still hopes
4. Ritualize release to reclaim energy

1. Become the parent you needed: allow emotions, model repair, and define strength as tenderness + boundaries
2. Curate culture: borrow the best from every identity you hold and design your family values
3. Use talk therapy or structured “homework” o metabolize experiences.
4. Protect joy on purpose because play is medicine

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What if the powerful version of you isn't something you need to become—but something you already are?

In this empowering Mental Wellness Month meditation, Karena guides you through a 9-minute practice designed to help you reconnect with your inner strength and rise into your most confident self. Using breathwork, visualization, and affirmations, this meditation reminds you that you're not waiting to become someone else; you're remembering who you've always been. Perfect for moments when you need to tap into your power, trust yourself, or move through life with intention and clarity.

Your power isn't something you build from scratch. It's something you remember and reclaim.

(00:00) Settling In & Breathing Into Strength

1. Finding a comfortable seated position with spine tall and shoulders back
2. Inhaling strength and power into your entire body
3. Exhaling doubt and anything holding you back

(04:00) Visualizing Your Empowered Self & Calling It Forward

1. Seeing yourself standing tall, rooted, and ready
2. Visualizing a version of you who walks with purpose and speaks with clarity
3. You're not becoming someone else, you're remembering who you've always been

(06:30) Affirmations & Rising Into Your Power

1. "I am powerful. I am grounded. I trust myself."
2. Letting the feeling of empowerment fill you completely
3. Bringing awareness back to your body and carrying this power forward

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What if your need for control is actually what's keeping you stuck?

In this revealing episode of The Big Silence, Karena sits down with licensed therapist, YouTuber, and bestselling author Kati Morton to dive into her most personal book yet: Why Do I Keep Doing This? From toxic independence to people-pleasing as manipulation, Kati unpacks the precarious relationship we have with control—and why trying to control what we can't is the root of so much unhappiness. She opens up about her own daddy issues, hyperindependence, and the patterns that kept her dating emotionally unavailable men. Whether you're a perfectionist, a people-pleaser, or someone who can't seem to stop repeating the same mistakes, this conversation will hit home. Hard.

Understanding why we repeat destructive behaviors is the first step toward real change and healthier relationships.

(00:00) Control, Perfectionism & People-Pleasing

1. The thread that runs through everything: our relationship with control
2. Why control can be both good and bad
3. People-pleasing as a form of manipulation
4. Why trying to control what's outside your "locus of control" only hurts you and others

(09:24) The Blueprint: Daddy Issues, Emotional Unavailability & Running Away

1. Growing up believing "I can only depend on me, I will save myself."
2. How childhood patterns shape who you're attracted to as an adult
3. Dating emotionally unavailable men

(17:48) Breaking the Pattern: Therapy, Self-Discovery & Learning to Stay

1. Figuring out what your "why" is
2. The importance of a therapist who challenges you, not just affirms you
3. Rewiring your nervous system and learning what safety actually feels like
4. Setting boundaries without being controlling or manipulative
5. How to tell the difference between protecting yourself and pushing people away

(26:12) Self-Care That Actually Works: Journaling, Movement & Showing Up for Friendships

1. Why journaling has been life-changing for Kati's mental health
2. The power of morning pages and releasing control over a "perfect timeline"
3. Why friendships matter more than we realize

(33:35) YouTube Evolution, AI Therapy & Fighting the Loneliness Epidemic

1. Why personal experience changes minds more than DSM criteria
2. The problem with AI therapy
3. "If a therapist says 'that's interesting,' you know a big whammy is coming"
4. Why we need more human connection, especially in a loneliness epidemic

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4. Get the book: Why Do I Keep Doing This?
5. Listen to Episode 51: How to Start Prioritizing Your Mental Health with Kati Morton, LMFT

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What if you could choose where your energy goes and protect what matters most?

In this special Mental Wellness Month meditation, Karena guides you through a powerful practice designed to help you protect your peace and release what's not yours to carry. Using breathwork, visualization, and affirmations, this meditation creates a protective boundary around your energy and reminds you that not everything deserves your attention—and not everyone is owed access. Perfect for starting your day, resetting after stress, or finding your center when life pulls you in too many directions.

Learning to choose where your energy goes is an act of self-preservation and self-love.

(00:00) Settling In & Releasing the Day

1. Breathing exercise to release tension from shoulders and jaw
2. Letting go of the day and everything pulling at your mind
3. Bringing awareness to your body and the present moment

(04:30) Visualizing Your Protective Light & Setting Boundaries

1. Creating a soft light boundary around you
2. Grounding into the truth: not everything deserves your attention
3. Not everyone is owed access to your spirit

(07:00) Affirmations & Carrying Peace Forward

1. "I choose peace. I release what is not mine to carry. I protect my energy."
2. Bringing awareness back to your body and the room around you
3. Remembering: your peace is yours, and it's not up for negotiation

This is part of our Mental Wellness Month series. Enjoy a new free meditation every week throughout January. For more guided meditations with Karena, download the Tone It Up app.

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What if the thoughts that torment you don’t have to define you anymore?

In this eye-opening episode of The Big Silence, Karena sits down with Jon Hershfield, MFT, director of the Center for OCD and Anxiety at Sheppard Pratt. From his own lived experience with OCD to becoming a leading voice in evidence-based treatment, Jon unpacks what OCD really is, looking beyond the stereotypes. He shares how obsessions and compulsions hijack your life, why diagnosis matters, and how exposure therapy and mindfulness can help you reclaim control. Whether you're struggling with intrusive thoughts, supporting someone with OCD, or just want to understand this widely misunderstood condition, Jon's wisdom offers clarity, hope, and a roadmap forward.

Understanding the difference between personality and pathology is the first step toward compassionate, effective treatment.

(00:00) From Lived Experience to Leading Expert

• Jon's 20-year battle with OCD 
• Finding community in online support groups 
• Why he decided to pursue a career helping others with OCD
• The power of treating the whole person, not just compartmentalized diagnoses

(08:00) What OCD Really Is: Beyond the Stereotype

• Breaking down the difference between being "quirky" and having a disorder
• Obsessions: unwanted intrusive thoughts that violate your values
• Compulsions: ineffective strategies to relieve distress from obsessions
• The "psychic damage" of mental rituals: ruminating, analyzing, and seeking certainty
• Recognizing when the "D" (disorder) part matters

(16:00) Diagnosis, Identity & the Modern Mental Health Landscape

• Navigating multiple diagnoses in a world of one-hour evaluations
• The danger of letting diagnoses become your identity
• How OCD can coexist with other conditions like autism, ADHD, and personality disorders
• Why specialization matters when seeking OCD treatment

(25:00) ERP, Mindfulness & Doing the Work

• Why Exposure and Response Prevention (ERP) is the gold standard for OCD treatment
• How mindfulness helps you observe thoughts without attaching to them
• The importance of homework in therapy
• Facing your fears until your brain realizes you can survive the uncertainty
• Meditation and being present with discomfort

(33:00) Finding Help, Resources & What Brings Joy

• Where to start if you think you might have OCD
• Why working with an OCD specialist is crucial for effective treatment
• Jon's upcoming book: Being a Parent with OCD (2026)
• The privilege of helping people expand their world when OCD has made it small

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