Dr. Michelle Robin, chiropractor, author, and healer, completed the Hoffman Process in 1997. After decades of a life of service to humanity’s well-being, Michelle has a lot of wisdom to share.

In this conversation with Liz, Michelle reflects back on her time at the Process and the 25 years since. Michelle came to the Process because she realized she’d lost her sense of joy. She left with the profound realization that she isn’t broken and never was. She shares that she left no longer carrying that dark cloud of not-enoughness.

Michelle shares her sense of and vision for a life of well-being. One of the beautiful takeaways from Michelle is how vitally important it is to be part of a community, especially one that is vibrantly alive and caring.

Listen in to hear this wisdom about living a vibrant life. And listen all the way to the end to hear Michelle’s wishes for you and the coming year.

Michelle is the founder of Small Changes Big Shifts®, Big Shifts Foundation®, and the Kansas City Wellness Consortium®, but more importantly, she is a visionary for the well-being of many generations.

With a 30-year chiropractic practice in Kansas City, Michelle has become a national influence and memorable leader in the wellness industry. Her simple framework – called the Quadrants of Well-Being – is the key to what many people have been looking for when it comes to discovering their best life. Michelle has spent the majority of her career helping people make small changes that ultimately create the biggest shifts in their well-being.

As a chiropractor, author, teacher, holistic healer, podcast host, unshakable optimist, international speaker, and passionate advocate for generational change, Michelle has left an impression on thousands of lives by helping them find their unique path to wellness and enriching their purpose in life.

Learn more about Michelle on Facebook, Instagram, and LinkedIn. Find out more about Your Wellness Connection on  LinkedIn and Facebook.

Crystal Jenkins:

A Path to Personal Freedom & Love:

Chiropractic:

Dr. Richard Yennie:

Chinese Medicine & Three Sources of Chi (or Qi):

Qigong:

Feng Shui:

Pickleball:

Hoffman Grad and former Hoffman teacher, Devi Cavitt Razo, did the Hoffman Process in 1996. She went on to teach the Process for 17 years. During her time at Hoffman, Devi also served as Process and Faculty Director, VP, and Director of Teacher Training.

In this episode, Devi shares a pivotal moment from her Process. It was a particularly difficult day during her time there. Devi noticed that she wasn’t crying nearly as much as her Process mates. They all seemed to be shedding many tears. Then, later that day, Devi fell to her knees, weeping deeply as she realized how much she wanted things to be different in her life and how much she loved her parents. This was a huge breakthrough for her as she realized that our feelings don’t come when we think they should. Rather, if we stay open with the intention to heal, things move and change in their own time.

How did she first hear about the Process? Upon leaving the Process, Devi’s friend came to visit her to tell her she just had to do the Process. Hearing this, Devi immediately knew it was right for her and signed up. During her Process, it became clear to Devi that she was meant to teach the Process.

Fast forward about 20 years later, although Devi was happy and felt fulfilled in this work, she began to hear the small voice within telling her there was something new on the horizon. The only thing was – she loved her work teaching the Process. How do we decide to go when we love something so much? That’s a question so many of us ask at least once in our lives.

Devi did indeed follow her inner voice to set out to create something brand new. Listen in as Devi shares how she views change and our relationship with it. Although we often fear change and the unknown it brings, with self-trust, self-knowledge, and support from others, we can step out into action on the path to our vision.

Devi Cavitt Razo is the president and co-founder of Aurum Leadership. An international consulting, training, and coaching firm, Aurum is focused on bringing greater aliveness, human connection, and creativity to organizations, teams, and leaders. Devi’s work spans the globe, from the US to Europe and Asia, with offices in California and the Netherlands. Devi created Aurum to bring to life her vision of leaders, organizations, and teams where trust, respect, and relationality are the norms. Her vision to create Aurum grew during her 17 years as a Hoffman Teacher. 

Devi holds degrees in psychology and organizational systems. She has a passion for doing transformative work with mission-driven groups, teams, and organizations, starting with the leaders. Devi’s worked with leaders and organizations from around the world, ranging from tech startups to global accounting firms to non-profits, to spiritual communities. Her work is dedicated to creating organizations where both mission and humans can thrive. 

Devi lives in the San Francisco Bay Area with her husband and three beloved stepdaughters. When she’s not traveling, facilitating, envisioning, and creating, you will find her hiking in the redwoods of Northern California. You can learn more about Devi on LinkedIn. Learn more about Aurum on LinkedIn, Instagram, and Facebook. Learn about Aurum’s EoS – Essentials of Self: A Breakthrough Training for Leaders.

Hoffman Teacher Training:

Hoffman Leads Harvard

The Hyde Schools and Hoffman

Frankie Olivieri is a third-generation Italian-American and third-generation owner of historical Pat’s King of Steaks. Listen in as Frankie and Drew talk about family history and doing the Hoffman Process.

People come to the Process when they are serious about change and Frankie is no exception. He believes in the importance of wanting to better oneself and the power of surrounding oneself with those who want to do that, too. In the Process, Frankie saw that his life could take two very different paths. In his work through the Process, Frankie chose, and continues to choose, the Right Road, the road of compassion and taking responsibility for one’s life. This is the life he wants to embrace. Frankie also shares with us the fascinating family history behind the birth of the Philly Steak and Cheese Steak Sandwiches and his famous restaurant.

Pat’s King of Steaks was established in 1930 by Pat Olivieri. A humble hotdog vendor who wanted something different for lunch, Pat Olivieri made a sandwich of chopped steak and onions on a crusty roll. When a cab driver said he wanted to give it a try, Pat gave him half of his sandwich. The cab driver loved it and the Philly Steak sandwich was born in South Philadelphia.

Over 90 years old, Frankie’s Great Uncle Pat’s legacy lives on in Pat’s King of Steaks. This famous restaurant has been owned and operated by the original Olivieri family since its inception. Frankie E. Olivieri is the current owner of Pat’s King of Steaks.

After graduating from Friends Select School in 1982, Frank was accepted to Le Cordon Bleu in Paris. He was ready to follow his dreams of a culinary degree and four years in Paris, but he got sidetracked. Frankie went on to manage his family’s business. With still unfulfilled dreams of being a Chef, Frankie enrolled in The Restaurant School at Walnut Hill College. There, he received a Bachelor’s Degree in Culinary Arts and Sciences.

Next time you’re in Philadelphia, stop by Pat’s King of Steaks, 1237 E. Passyunk Ave (at 9th & Wharton Sts), and say Hi to Frankie!

Pat Olivieri: Along with his brother, Harry Olivieri, Pat Olivieri created the Philly cheesesteak. The brothers opened Pat’s King of Steaks in 1930. Pat Olivieri died in 1970. Harry’s grandson Frank Jr. (Frankie!) now runs the business.

The 1st Rocky Movie and the Orange Toss:

World Famous Italian market, continuously running for 127 years.

Quaker School, Friends Select, est. 1869

The Hoffman High:

Post-Process weekend:

Hoffman Process tools: Recycling/Pre-cycling

The Q2 Intensive Retreat:

Award-winning chef, restaurateur, and cookbook author, Seamus Mullen, is our guest today. Seamus shares how realizing he is not his patterns led to profound healing. Identification with our patterns can perpetuate suffering. When we realize our Spiritual Self can never be patterned we find freedom and a genuine willingness to take responsibility for our lives.

Growing up on a rural farm in Vermont, Seamus and his brother cooked meals alongside the rest of the family. Seamus learned early on that he could make others happy if he cooked good food for them. Eventually, his career became an extension of this early learned pattern and belief.

When he arrived at the Hoffman Process classroom, Seamus noticed a wall poster that said, “I am not my patterns.” Seamus took this in as he looked back over his life. Twelve years earlier when he was working to heal from Rheumatoid Arthritis, Seamus’ new functional doctor helped him see that “he wasn’t sick but he had this illness.” This is the difference between identifying with sickness – I am sick – versus having an illness. Through the Process, Seamus worked to heal through the cycle of transformation.

Another big learning at the Process for Seamus was how compassion must be the precursor to forgiveness. Through the Process, he forgave his parents, which brought him freedom and peace. Listen in as Seamus shares a beautiful story of healing and forgiveness that happened post-Process with his father and family.

Seamus Mullen is an award-winning chef, restaurateur, and cookbook author. A health crisis nearly ended his career in 2012. A dramatic re-evaluation of his lifestyle and relationship with food led to a total transformation. In twelve months, he reversed an “incurable auto-immune disease, lost over 80 pounds, and returned to being an active and healthy human. As a nationally recognized leading authority on health and wellness, Seamus is on a mission to help as many people as possible take control of their own health and embrace the remarkable healing power of Real Food!

Seamus can often be seen as a featured judge on the popular Food Network series “Chopped” and “Beat Bobby Flay,” and is a frequent guest on programs such as The Today Show, The Martha Stewart Show, and CBS This Morning where he shares his knowledge of cooking and nutrition. In 2012, Seamus published his first cookbook, Hero Food. In 2017, he released his second cookbook, Real Food Heals.

Seamus lives in sunny Malibu, California, and is the Culinary Director for the Rosewood Sandhill Hotel. You can find him swinging kettlebells, riding bikes, and hiking in the coastal mountains when he’s not cooking or writing. You can learn more about Seamus here, and follow him on Instagram and Twitter.

Pattern Ping Pong:

Functional Medicine:

Do you wonder why the Hoffman Process works so well on many levels? Listen in as Volker Krohn, psychotherapist, Director of Hoffman Centre Australia/Singapore, and Director of Hoffman International shares his experience of and insights into the Process. Born in Germany, Volker found his way to Australia after spending a short time in the United States. In the late ’80s, he attended the second Process ever held in Byron Bay, New South Wales. Bob Hoffman was his Process teacher as well as his Process teacher trainer.

In this conversation between Volker and Drew, we learn some fascinating things about the Process. Volker reminds us that the Hoffman Process is a psycho-spiritual process. As such, it supports the integration of the psychological and spiritual natures within us. With a background as a psychologist as well as his studies in spirituality, Volker shares his sense of what happens underneath the surface of the Process.

Through his experience of decades of teaching the Process, Volker speaks to the heart of what the Process does. He says the Process helps each of us come to live by the intrinsic values of our hearts. He goes on to add that we aren’t our thinking and we’re not our feelings, rather these are aspects of our ego structure. Ultimately, the Process helps us come back into Presence and back into peace with ourselves. Volker beautifully encapsulates the Process as one that re-initiates us into our own humanity and into the family of humanity.

Settle in for this beautiful conversation. Be prepared to come away with a deeper sense of your place in the family of humanity.

Volker Krohn is an accomplished psychotherapist and has been the director of the Hoffman Centre Australia/Singapore since 1991. He is also the director of Hoffman International. He was personally trained by Robert Hoffman in the late 1980s and is a senior supervising facilitator of the Process.

Volker’s extensive professional background includes Family Therapy, Self-Psychology, and Creative Arts Therapy as well as organizational development. He also speaks and writes widely on emotional healing, re-education, and spiritual renewal, through the exploration of early childhood conditioning. Volker is passionate about helping people improve their emotional and spiritual intelligence and has inspired thousands of Hoffman graduates in Australia and worldwide to live from a place of self-acceptance and gratitude claiming compassionate leadership in their lives.

The Arakwal and Bundialung Nation:

Teach Your Children by Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young

Two Spiritual Paths:

The Enneagram:

How climate change is affecting us:

University of California research on the Hoffman Process:

Anne Hockett calls herself a gut geek and a lifelong learner – and, she is so much more than that. Anne’s story is a powerful testament to our spiritually human capacities of resiliency, adaptability, and deep capacity to return to trusting in the unknown and the knowing that comes from deep within.

Anne’s background is in public health and medicine. She is a proponent of western medicine. But when she found herself diagnosed with a major cardiac diagnosis and prognosis with little hope for a long life, she turned toward eastern medicine and alternative modalities. With these, she began to heal. Anne found herself with a new capacity for knowing things about people just by looking at them, things that one hundred percent of the time turned out to be true and supportive of that person’s healing.

Anne did the Hoffman Process in 2016. Through doing the Process, she found the ability to love herself. She left the Process with a deep understanding of who she was without the degree of shame she had around her shadow patterns. Anne tells us her experience of open-heartedness and lack of judgment during the Process allowed her to know them much more than simply as ideas. She now feels them because she received them during her Process. One other big result from doing the Process was solidifying her knowledge of her life purpose.

For over four decades, Anne’s work has concentrated on the healthcare field. She has applied her work experience, research, and teaching skills in Asia to better understand how modern medicine and traditional, gentle, natural approaches can be most effectively integrated. Since 1983, Anne has worked in a variety of capacities with children and adults with physical and emotional needs. She specializes in the care of those managing cancer and heart disease, but her practice has broadened considerably over the years.

Before moving to Asia in 1989, Anne worked with the Ford Foundation, The U.S. National Academy of Sciences, and the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services. She has a Master’s degree from the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health. Anne also has a variety of training and certification credentials in other health care and healing modalities including homeopathy, Bach Flowers, therapeutic yoga, plant-based medicine, healing breath work, meditation, guided imagery, past life regression, hypnotherapy, and Reiki. She’s years into a Ph.D. she might never complete in plant-based medicine and also halfway through excelled training in Functional Medicine. You can learn more about Anne at YouHealing.org.

Shadow patterns

Rishikesh is a city in the Dehradun district of the Indian state of Uttarakhand, located in the foothills of the Himalayas in northern India.

Pacemakers and ‘pacing’

Near Death Experience (NDE)

Other healing modalities explored by Anne:

Harvard Study on crying and good health

Anne’s exercise:

You don’t want to miss this episode with Neil Strauss, ten-time New York Times best-selling author, contributing editor at Rolling Stone, and a former music critic, cultural reporter, and columnist at The New York Times.

Neil did the Hoffman Process just before the pandemic hit in very early 2020. In this conversation, he weaves together pivotal moments of and insights of his Process with his deeper life insights. Neil talks about how doing personal healing work is often stigmatized. For him, doing healing work such as the Process is something important to share with others, something to wear as a badge of honor.

In this conversation, Neil and Drew cover a lot of territory on relationships, healing, writing, and the creative process. A prolific writer, Neil generously shares his writing process in depth. He shares how all four aspects of our Quadrinity can inform the creative process. Listening to this conversation is almost like taking a short writing class.

Toward the end, Neil turns the tables on Drew and asks Drew questions. Be sure to listen to the end for this fun back-and-forth between them.

Neil Strauss is a ten-time New York Times best-selling author; a contributing editor at Rolling Stone; and a former music critic, cultural reporter, and columnist at The New York Times where he won the ASCAP-Deems Taylor Award for excellence in music journalism. In 2018, he was honored with the Los Angeles Press Club’s Journalist Award for his Rolling Stone 50th anniversary cover story, “Elon Musk: The Architect of Tomorrow.”

Coaching and mentoring have always been a passion for Strauss. His love of learning and teaching propels him to speak at conferences around the world. He formed an exclusive, high-level, international personal growth, networking, and mastermind group called The Society International in 2011. The Society International continues to grow as a one-of-a-kind global group of like-minded people. Neil personally mentors its members, comprising award-winning artists, international entrepreneurs, tech CEOs, professional athletes, and visionaries who defy categorization.

Neil resides in Malibu, California. You can learn more about Neil here and here.

Hollywood hails him as one of the most sought-after ghostwriters in town. His books include The Dirt with Motley Crue, hailed by Q magazine as “the most unputdownable rock book of the year, or possibly any year,” while Publishers Weekly cited The Long Hard Road Out of Hell with Marilyn Manson as “possibly the highest-selling rock biography of all time.” A feature-length film of The Dirt was recently released on Netflix, directed by Jeff Tremaine, which propelled the book back into the New York Times bestseller list. His recent book collaboration, Kevin Hart’s I Can’t Make This Up: Life Lessons was both a #1 New York Times bestseller and topped the most downloaded audiobooks list at the same time.

In his own books, Strauss is renowned for going undercover to explore controversial subcultures. The Game and Rules of The Game, for which he went undercover in a secret society of pick-up artists for two years, topped The New York Times best-selling list and were #1 on Amazon. He then completely revamped his perceptions of dating and relationships when he went undercover to explore trauma, healing, and intimacy disorders with The Truth: An Uncomfortable Book about Relationships. In this best-selling book, he explores the hidden forces that cause people to choose each other, stay together, and break up.

Letters Neil received from Process Graduates:

Carl R. Rogers:

Sex Addiction & Treatment

Post Induction Therapy:

Neil on Relationships as Growth:

Helpful aids that support more productivity, focus, and creativity:

Trauma & High School P.E.:

Vicious Cycles:

De-tox from phone and media:

Monique Petrov is a former All-American triathlete. She qualified for five Ironman World Championships and ranked among the top female age-group triathletes worldwide. Just three weeks before what was to be her ninth Ironman, a disastrous accident ended her career.

What brought Monique to the Hoffman Process? As she shares with Drew, the physical trauma she has endured would become emotional trauma, which would sneak into how she related to those she was most intimate with. Through the Process, Monique found the healing she was looking for. She found the playful, curious, loving, kind soul she’d hidden inside long ago. Since the Process, Monique now makes time for this fun-loving part of herself.

Listen in as Monique shares her story of the tragic accident that happened just three weeks before what was to be her 9th Ironman. Monique has been reluctant to share her story, never wanting the accident to define her. But today she shares all that she’s been through, the depth of her healing, and the incredible journey her life has been and continues to be. Be sure to listen all the way to the end. Monique shares her story about how she healed a big ball of shame in the Process.

Monique had a serious accident three weeks before the Hawaii Ironman World Championships, which was to be her 9th Ironman. She was struck almost head-on by a van while finishing a long training ride a few miles from home. After six days in a coma, followed by six weeks in a hospital, Monique underwent eighteen hours of surgery to stabilize her vertebrae which burst upon impact. Suffering a traumatic brain injury, shattered knee, leg, arm, scapula, ribs, and blood-filled punctured lungs, she needed more surgery to piece her body (bones) back together. Monique had no idea how surviving this near-death experience would alter her life. The following thirteen months – and thirteen years – took her through a journey of recovery that has taught her more about resilience and strength than her entire career as a world-class athlete.  Oddly, she forgave the driver almost immediately. It was herself she could not forgive because of shame. Splitting open more than her physical body, she eventually discovered it was the deep reflexive shame (which controlled her) or (within her) that needed to heal.

Monique Petrov is a former All-American triathlete. She qualified for five Ironman World Championships, ranking amongst the top female age-group triathletes worldwide.  Monique had been a triathlon and strength & conditioning coach. She became a NICU (neonatal intensive care) nurse after her life-threatening accident.  Monique has a passion for using her life experience and relationships as data. She examines them for clues – even amid anguish, isolation, loneliness, and shame. Looking for hope, inspiration, and the ultimate connection with one’s own self, while developing and emerging with a brand new level of self-trust and security to step forward more boldly in the world.  She delves into her ongoing recovery. Monique shares how she was able to survive, heal, rebuild, and continually reinvent herself.

Intubation and Extubataion

Neonatal Intensive Care Unit (NICU)

2-Day Hoffman Essentials program

The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma, by Bessel van der Kolk

Just five months ago, Jack Rafferty did the Hoffman Process, graduating only weeks shy of his 91st birthday. Jack shows us that you’re never too old to do the Process. Listen in to hear this beautiful sharing of love, friendship, and what it means to be real with each other.

Over the last 50 years, Jack did a lot of work on himself but procrastinated on coming to the Process.  Eventually, he felt the call to go and jumped in. Jack felt he was in good shape but thought he might tweak some things while he was there. As he shares, though, that idea went out the window in the first minutes of the Process. Jack now says the Process changed his life and that he is a different person for having done it.

Jack speaks to living in a posture of love and how the Hoffman Process helped him deepen his capacity for awareness, vulnerability, and even more love. This phrase, the Posture of Love, describes the work Jack has been involved with over the many decades of his career. We hope you enjoy this beautiful conversation with Jack and Drew.

As an innovator with forty-two years of experience as a relationship guide and course facilitator, Jack has developed simple techniques that are easy to understand and put into practice. He has worked with thousands of people who have an interest in creating more conscious, fulfilling relationships.

Jack’s mission has been to expand the horizons of this knowledge.

In 1971 Jack was one of the founders of est, a preeminent organization in the human potential movement. In 1980, Jack turned his focus to relationships. Through years of research, presenting courses, and coaching, he has developed a unique approach that produces results that make a difference in people’s lives. Jack has taught his course, The Art of Relating, for 42 years. Now, together with a fellow Hoffman graduate, he is offering a new course, Born to Love.

Psycho-Cybernetics, by Matthew Maltz.

Loneliness and Health:

Creating Deep Friendships:

Charles “Raz” Ingrasci, Hoffman teacher and Founder of the Hoffman Institute Foundation

Liza Ingrasci, CEO of the Hoffman Institute Foundation, has been with the Hoffman Institute since 1990.

Hoffman Scholarships:

Jeff Snipes’ experience, during the Hoffman Process and after, shines a beautiful light on why we call this podcast, Love’s Everyday Radius. As a result of doing the Process, love’s extension and enlargement into the world can be unlimited in possibility and scope. Jeff’s story is one vivid example of this.

In his early forties, Jeff experienced what he calls a ‘starburst of awakening.’ He couldn’t satisfy his hunger for books, podcasts, retreats – anything he could find – on spirituality and awakening. He followed every impulse within him as made this spiritual journey. The Hoffman Process was one stop on this journey. But it was more than that, too. The Process was a catalyst that would launch Jeff into the new direction his life was asking him to take.

Jeff wondered why we aren’t taught to live filled with love, self-awareness, and a sense of purpose. Eventually, he created a new way to educate, one filled with spirituality, love, and purpose. Listen in as Jeff recounts his journey with Sharon in this remarkable episode of Love’s Everyday Radius.

Jeff is most passionate about the intersection of spirituality and education. He believes the current system of education has abandoned what’s needed most: cultivating the inner life of students. So together with a truly inspired group of educators, he serves as the Founder & Chairman of Millennium.org, a non-profit lab school and teaching institute advancing conscious well-being.

In a previous life, Jeff spent 20 years in corporate leadership development. He served as the CEO of Ninth House and Co-Founder of PDI Ninth House (now Korn Ferry Organizational Consulting), the largest leadership assessment, consulting, and development business in the US. Over the years, he has been grateful to learn from many others who knew what they were doing. These include the boards of Mindful Schools, The Fetzer Institute, Challenge Success, the Learning for Well-Being Foundation, the Collaborative for Spirituality in Education, Education Superhighway, The Tugboat Institute, Circl.es, and Marin Montessori School.

Along the way, he told bedtime stories, helped with homework, and sat in countless bleachers, doing his best to assist his indefatigable wife in raising three amazing young adults. Most mornings today, he’s likely to be found recovering by wandering among the redwoods on Mt. Tam, only slightly lost, and chasing after their dog Whiskey.

You can learn more about Jeff on LinkedIn.

Millennium School in San Francisco

Hoffman tools and practices:

YPO:

Circle Method