In the winter of 2013, Scott Carney traveled to Poland to debunk the prophet/madman Wim Hof, a charismatic Dutchman who claimed that his method of breathwork, cold exposure, and meditation could confer superpowers on its practitioners.
Scott was good at this sort of investigative muckraking; his previous book, A Death on Diamond Mountain, chronicled another guru whose hyperbolic claims and irresponsible programs put gullible people in harm's way. Wim would just be the next to fall.
Before exposing the scam, though, Scott's journalistic ethics compelled him to see it firsthand. And what he discovered – and experienced – changed how he saw health, culture, human nature – the works.
Long story short, Scott found compelling evidence – personal experience, case study, anecdotal, lab science, and clinical trials – that human beings are suffering for lack of exposure to environmental extremes.
We've become weak and anti-resilient. Our immune systems prowl our unchallenged bodies like bored puppies, chewing on everything in sight and triggering autoimmune disorders. And we live in a fear bubble that acts as an additional layer of insulation from the natural environment in which our ancestors evolved.
From his first dips in an icy lake, to taking control of his immune system, to climbing Mt Kilimanjaro in record time, shirtless in a t-shirt, Scott has chronicled his discoveries and insights in one of the best books I've read in years.
It's called What Doesn't Kill Us, and it did its job on me. Before I was halfway through, I was already doing the morning breathing exercises and running 7 January miles in just shorts and no shirt.
So when Scott agreed to be on the podcast (to give you some perspective on how hot this is right now, I heard him interviewed on NPR's Weekend Edition a couple of weeks ago), I rejoiced.
And he didn't disappoint – this conversation went by so quickly, I didn't realize that we were 70 minutes in and I was totally monopolizing his afternoon.
I hope you enjoy it, and have the same “let's get cold!” reaction that I did.
(Responsible podcaster's note, cribbed from the Black Box Warning at the front of What Doesn't Kill Us: Please don't try any of this stuff “without appropriate experience, training, fitness level, doctor approval, and supervision.”)
Scott and I covered:
* why his book hit a nerve right now
* his experience leading a trip in India where a student threw herself to her death believing she was becoming an angel
* A Death on Diamond Mountain: Scott's book on dangerous spiritual leaders
* attempting to debunk Wim Hof's claims of superpowers: controlling body temperature and immune system and spending long periods of time in ice water (“he's gonna get people killed”)
* why Wim seemed trustworthy because of – rather than in spite of – his obvious flaws
* the costs of living in perpetual early summer
* comfort is killing us
* “the wedge” – using our minds to master our automatic reactions
* natural extension of the human project since infancy – gaining increasing control over our limbs, movements, and bodily functions
* “our brains are designed to panic – it's like a hobby”
* why our bodies can adapt so quickly to environmental extremes
* the difference between early warning panic and automatic responses to true danger
* the science of cold exposure
* the real purpose of body fat
* the discovery of adult brown adipose tissue in 2007 – and why it's triggered a ridiculous R&D initiative by Big Pharma
* Wim and the endotoxin challenge