In this edition of The Way Out our intrepid co-host Jason

Contact Lori: [email protected]

Lori’s Links: https://linktr.ee/loriwindfeldt

Best piece of Recovery advice: You are not the center of the

Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendation: The Body

https://www.amazon.com/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma/dp/0143127748

Song that symbolizes Recovery: Heavy by Linkin Park (feat.

https://youtu.be/5dmQ3QWpy1Q

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In this edition of The Way Out I’m absolutely thrilled to bring you my interview with Licensed Psychologist, Licensed Clinical Social Worker, Person in Long term recovery and author, Dr. Laura Petracek. Laura shares her journey to and through recovery from alcoholism and addiction while at the same time coming to terms with, and addressing her bipolar disorder which together ended up being the struggle of her lifetime, and one that eventually motivated her to implement Dialectical Behavioral Therapy or DBT for short in her own life along with the 12-Step program she’d been working for years. A struggle, that ultimately informed her new book The DBT Workbook for Alcohol and Drug Addiction: Skills and Strategies for Emotional Regulation, Recovery, and Relapse Prevention which is chalked full of Recovery tools that are centered in DBT and the 12 Steps, which increasingly enable us achieve the often illusive balance between the extremes we’ve been accustomed to, and thereby enabling us to become increasingly closer to the people we feel called to be, and this here interview is likewise plum full of spiritual and recovery truth so listen up.

Contact Dr. Laura Patracek and learn more about The DBT Workbook for Alcohol and Drug Addiction: Skills and Strategies for Emotional Regulation, Recovery, and Relapse Prevention

https://www.laurapetracekphd.com/

https://www.amazon.com/DBT-Workbook-Alcohol-Drug-Addiction/dp/1839972521

Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendation:

Soul Silence: A Unique Approach to Mastering the 11th Step by Peter Amato - https://www.amazon.com/Soul-Silence-Unique-Approach-Mastering/dp/0757315305

DBT App:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=co.swasth.dbtcoach

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dbt-coach/id1452264969

Best Recovery Advice: This too shall pass, One step at time, Hang on keep moving forward, It's easier to stay sober than to get sober

Song that symbolizes Recovery:

Learning to live by Celia Van Marth (sang during the episode)

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In this edition of The Way Out I’m delighted to bring you a tremendous interview I had with mindset and nutrition coach, fellow podcaster, and person in long term recovery Glenn Dougherty. Glenn shares his journey to and through recovery to this point in super refreshing, positive often entertaining and always inspirational fashion and I do believe you all will be nodding along and indeed laughing along as you at once relate with Glenn’s story as well as find the humor in it in only the way we who are in Recovery truly can. The inspirational nature of Glenn’s story is due in large part to how he evolved through his health and wellness in conjunction with his therapeutic and sobriety journey, all in the context of resurrecting the most important intimate relationship in his life, with his now wife that he’s now married not once but twice, a wife that he now does a podcast with that’s aptly named About this Life, all of which is about to unfold before your very ears so listen up. 

Contact Glenn:

https://www.instagram.com/glenndoughertyjr/

About this Life Podcast:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/about-this-life-with-shafondra-matthews-glenn-dougherty-jr/id1606295848

Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendation: The Dichotomy

https://www.amazon.com/Dichotomy-Leadership-Balancing-Challenges-Ownership/dp/1250195772

Best Piece of Recovery Advice: Share your story

Baby by Fabolous Ft. Mike Shorey:

https://youtu.be/V5g4pxDreYo

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In this edition of The Way Out I’m pleased to bring you my interview with Caroline Beidler who is a person in long term recovery and the author of the new book “Downstairs Church: Finding Hope in the Grit of Addiction and Trauma Recovery”. Caroline shares her journey to and through recovery to this point in a way that is heavy on the solution and what got her and keeps her well and that is firmly rooted in connecting with and being of service of others in Recovery, which exactly what her new book and this here interview is all about so I highly recommend staying tuned as Caroline Recovers Out Loud in the most inspirational and instructive way so listen up. 

Check out the Recovery Revolution Podcast Network: 

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Contact Caroline and learn more about Downstairs Church: Finding Hope in the Grit of Addiction and Trauma Recovery: 

https://www.carolinebeidler.com/ 

Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendations: 

The Life Recovery Bible 

https://www.tyndale.com/sites/liferecovery/ 

Sober Mercies: How Love Caught Up with a Christian Drunk 

https://www.amazon.com/Sober-Mercies-Caught-Christian-Drunk/dp/B01L9AY2J4 

Best piece of Recovery Advice - Don't pick relationships with a broken picker! 

Song that symbolizes Recovery: How Great Thou Art - https://youtu.be/Cc0QVWzCv9k 

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In this rendition of The Way Out co-host extraordinaire Jason returns and shares a marvelous interview where he reconnects with a very old friend who just celebrated 1 year of sobriety! Jason and Jeff Rogers hadn't seen each other in 25 years until Jason recognized him at a recovery event. Jeff is doing some amazing service work here in Minnesota, where he lives with his beautiful family, and together are building a beautiful life today. His journey to and through recovery to this point is instructive in large part because it shows that we don't have to lose it all in order to achieve a deep and durable recovery. All that is required to make a beginning is to be honest with ourselves and a sincere willingness to make a change when we see what lies in store for us if we don’t. One thing that is surely in store for you is this gem of a recovery talk so listen up.

Contact Jeff:

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004183186616

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rollhardplayhard/

Facebook Disc Golf Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1365818277198617

Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendation. Beyond Belief: Agnostic Musings for 12 Step Life: finally, a daily reflection book for nonbelievers, freethinkers and everyone by Joe C.:

https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Belief-reflection-nonbelievers-freethinkers/dp/0988115700

Best Piece of Recovery Advice: Stay teachable

Song that symbolizes recovery: Jack Johnson - Banana Pancakes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkyrIRyrRdY

TOOL – Sober:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouVedNg-6WQ

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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In this edition of The Way Out I’m beyond honored to bring you my interview with Author of the new book entitled “Get Me to The Abbey” and person in long term recovery, Lisa Avelleyra. Lisa shares her ultra-relatable journey to and through recovery to this point with us only in the way a true story teller can and with a distinctly wry humor and an unmistakable authenticity that will no doubt have each and every one of you laughing, connecting, and feeling like we’re all old friends in Recovery, a feeling I reckon is one of the best there is. The genuine Recovery and Spiritual wisdom that emanates from Lisa’s story is truly something to behold as is the nothing short of miraculous experience she has while at The Abbey, where she finds so much more than she ever thought possible. She finds her Higher Power at The Abbey. She finds community at The Abbey. She finds hope at The Abbey. Lisa finds herself at The Abbey, and perhaps most importantly, what Lisa finds at The Abbey is that meaningful and enduring Recovery is not only possible, but it’s absolutely worth it and proof positive our Recovery stories matter so listen up.

Contact Lisa:

https://lisaave.com

Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendations:

Get Me to the Abbey by Lisa Avelleyra:

https://lisaave.com/product/get-me-to-the-abbey

The Lost Weekend (Movie): https://archive.org/details/TheLostWeekend

Best piece of Recovery Advice:

We can't control what happens to us, but we can control how we respond.

Song that symbolizes Recovery:

I Will Survive by Gloria Gaynor - https://youtu.be/6dYWe1c3OyU

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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In this rendition of The Way Out I’m overjoyed to bring you my interview with person in long term recovery and life coach Hayley Scherders. Hayley shares her journey to and through recovery to this point with us with remarkable authenticity and in extremely relatable fashion, and all along the way she sprinkles practical recovery and spiritual wisdom that we can all apply to our own recovery. One of the most enlightening of which is the wonderfully powerful idea and concept of having 5 seconds of courage in order to ignite a seismic and positive shift in our lives, such as choosing to begin our journey of recovery, or starting therapy, or giving up a counterproductive thought and/or behavior pattern, or as Hayley so eloquently stated and herself experienced, deciding to turn our past into lessons instead of life sentences. Indeed, the smallest of beginnings can mushroom into meaningful, positive and sustained change, such as reading some quit-lit, going to a recovery meeting, or listening to a powerful recovery story like the one that’s about to unfold before your very ears, so listen up.

Contact Hayley:

[email protected]

https://www.livingovertheinfluence.com/

Instagram: livingovertheinfluence

Tik Tok: livingovertheinfluence

Recovery Resources:

The Problem & The Solution by Fred Holmquist - The Way Out Podcast Episode 124:

https://anchor.fm/the-way-out-podcast/episodes/The-Problem--The-Solution-by-Fred-Holmquist---The-Way-Out-Podcast-Episode-124-e389ur

Recovery (quit-lit) recommendations:

This Naked Mind by Annie Grace - https://thisnakedmind.com/this-naked-mind/

We are the Luckiest by Laura McKowen - https://www.amazon.com/We-Are-Luckiest-Surprising-Magic/dp/160868654X

The unexpected Joy of Being Sober by Catherine Gray - https://www.amazon.com/Unexpected-Joy-Being-Sober-alcohol-free/dp/1912023385

Best Piece of Recovery Advice: You don't have to be alone any more if you don't want to

Song that Symbolizes Recovery:

Better Days by Dermot Kennedy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gqbE9jDI1g

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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In this edition of The Way Out I’m overjoyed to bring you my interview with person in long term recovery and founder of the creative coaching agency Liberty Empowerment and the new community Speak Toast, Keelin Conant. In accordance with the Truth in Podcasting Act of 2023, which I 100% just made up and is absolutely not a real thing, this is the last of a handful of interviews I inadvertently recorded with my super sub-par webcam microphone, so a big thank you to all ya’ll Way Out faithful for bearing with the less than stellar audio from yours truly. Despite my audio adversity, the spiritual and recovery truth that emerges as Keelin shares her journey to and through recovery is truly extraordinary. Without question one of the key truths embodied in Keelin’s story amounts to a profound and fundamental question we all must address or answer in one way or another in our Recovery Journeys: what are we willing to give up to become the person we feel called to be? This question goes back to the Hero’s Journey we’ve often referenced on this podcast, which is the journey we all embark upon when we enter recovery. We reckon with our limitations, which for us is largely our addictions and counter productive thought and behavior patterns and we embark on a journey which principally consists of becoming increasingly willing to systematically shed our addictions and counterproductive thought and behavior patterns in order to become increasingly closer to the people we ultimately feel called to be. To the extent that we’re able to do that, is the extent we can increasingly live in the sunlight and embody the love and connectedness that creates a meaningful and enduring Recovery. Regardless of the pathway we take, whether that be 12-Step Recovery, SMART Recovery, Refuge Recovery, Faith based Recovery, a combination of these or an all together different path the truths embodied in the conversation that’s about to unfold before your very ears are truly universal. The word conversation is an adjective which frankly fundamentally fails to accurately describe what transpired between Keelin and I, it was in fact a spiritually liberating exchange of the highest order so do make sure you listen up.

Contact Keelin:

https://libertyempowerment.com/home

Learn more about the 7 Steps to Liberty:

https://libertyempowerment.com/lzguide

Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendations:

The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho: https://www.amazon.com/Alchemist-Paulo-Coelho/dp/0061122416

Recovery: Freedom from Our Addictions by Russel Brand: https://www.amazon.com/Recovery-Freedom-Addictions-Russell-Brand/dp/1250141923

Best Recovery Advice: One Day at a Time, This Too Shall Pass

Songs that symbolize Recovery:

Say it Ain’t So by Weezer: https://youtu.be/ENXvZ9YRjbo

The Power is Here Now by Alexia Chellun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rJfU1A6cxs

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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In this rendition of The Way Out I am absolutely ecstatic to bring you what turned out to be a marvelous interview with Joi Andreoli, Author of the new book The Recovery Cycle: A Practical Guide to Loving Your Sober Life. Joi is also a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, Transactional Analysis Practitioner, Certified WANT® Communication Educator, and person in long term recovery. Many of us who have spent any time in and around recovery may have been introduced to the concept of the addiction cycle, of which there are a number of variations. For our purposes, the addiction cycle has four distinct phases starting with preoccupation and anticipation which then leads to addiction related rituals like the search for and preparation of the substance which then leads to intoxication or binging followed by the last phase which is withdrawal and negative effects like shame, guilt and remorse. Much of what we’re actively doing in Recovery is a process of replacing our addictions and counterproductive thought and behavior patterns with positive and healthy behaviors that over time begin to change the way we think, feel, react, and respond to the daily events and situations we encounter in our lives. Nature abhors a vacuum so just trying really hard not to do any particular thought and behavior pattern or addiction through sheer willpower without replacing the void with positive actions and practices is nothing short of unsustainable for most of us. Willpower is finite, but engaging in what Joi refers to as contrary action allows us to refocus and to realign our energies and efforts and as you’ve heard more than a time or two on this podcast, we can act our way into right living instead of trying to think our way into right acting. As we learn in the interview that is about to unfold before your very ears, Joi asserts that recovery too has a cycle which is the mirror opposite in the positive of the cycle of addiction so listen up.

Contact Joi and learn more about The Recovery Cycle: A Practical Guide to Loving Your Sober Life:

https://www.communicatewithjoi.com/

Recovering Couples Anonymous:

https://recovering-couples.org/

Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendation:

The Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous: https://www.aa.org/the-big-book

Best piece of Recovery Advice: “Watch your thoughts, they become your words; watch your words, they become your actions; watch your actions, they become your habits; watch your habits, they become your character; watch your character, it becomes your destiny.” – Lao Tzu

I will Survive by Gloria Gaynor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dYWe1c3OyU

Rainbow by Kacey Musgraves:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OFv566mj7s

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz

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