Have you ever talked to people who weren't there? Imagined conversations in your head? Perfected your argument while showering or lying in bed?

I did that...and made it into a podcast. 

But this conversation isn't with just one person. It's with tens of thousands of people. Pastors. 

Because the survivor community knows the price of patriarchy in the church. We know the cost of being controlled. We know the damage of being devalued. And pastors NEED to KNOW this too. 

If they'd only listen, I'd tell pastors:

• How they create a cycle of shame and perfectionism
• People's fundamental motivation for change (and why it matters in abusive situations)
• Their view of women is an open invitation for oppression
• Why their treatment of people (and approach to ministry) show how anti-Jesus and faithless they are
• The profound and simple FOUR-LETTER ANSWER to all of these problems (and they've been staring at it without seeing it)

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