Been There Got Out Podcast

Why You Should Try Mediation with a Narcissist (Even When Everyone Says Don't)


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🎯 "Mediation? With a NARCISSIST? Are you crazy?"

If that's your reaction, you're not alone. Most people in high-conflict divorce assume mediation is pointless when dealing with someone who has a personality disorder or active addiction.


But according to Liz Merrill—who spent 20 years married to a narcissist scientist before becoming a divorce mediator herself—it's worth trying. And here's why:

"A surprisingly high percentage of people who come with high conflict divorces get through the mediation process successfully without having to resort to litigation," Liz explains. "Because by the time they start mediating and working through and understanding what their options are, they kind of realize that they're not likely to get a better resolution by litigating."

Even if mediation doesn't result in settlement, you gain something invaluable: information.

"Keep your mouth shut and listen to what they're having to say and encourage them to talk," Liz advises for that crucial first session. "You will learn a lot about what's important to them, what they are thinking about, what their strategy might be. And that's all information that you can use in the future, even if you're not using it right now. And that's worth a lot."

This conversation reveals why mediation is always worth trying, how to prepare strategically, what you can realistically expect, and why sometimes the "difficult" partner actually comes to mediation thinking they're smarter than everyone else—which creates an opportunity.

What You'll Learn:

âś… Why high-conflict parties often come to mediation (thinking they can "bamboozle")
âś… The role of a CDFA (Certified Divorce Financial Analyst) in keeping things factual
âś… How facts, law, and math create a limited range of outcomes regardless of process
âś… Why it's "absolutely always worth trying" mediation (even if only costs a few thousand)
âś… The first session strategy: Keep your mouth shut and gather information
âś… What you can't mediate (hint: anything that happened in the past)
âś… How to prepare for mediation: agenda, goals, realistic expectations
âś… Why you shouldn't tell your mediator your "whole sad story"
âś… Strategic approach: Easy wins first to build goodwill vs. tackle hard stuff
âś… How to use what you learned in session one to inform session two
âś… Avoiding "barstool counsel" (Facebook groups, well-meaning friends)
âś… Second Saturday workshops: Free divorce education for women
âś… Why emotions are "on fire" and how professionals help manage them
âś… When Liz's daughters asked "Mom, can we get divorced?"

About Liz Merrill:

Liz Merrill, known as "the divorce whisperer," is a Colorado-based divorce mediator who spent 20 years in a marriage with a narcissist—a very successful research scientist considerably older than her. They had three daughters together and moved all over the world. "I thought I had to stay in this situation for my children and for my own safety and for my financial safety," Liz shares. When her daughters (all around mid-teens at the time) came to her and asked, "Mom, are we—can we get divorced? Why are we?" she realized she wasn't being brave by staying—she was scared. She filed that day. The divorce process was as horrible as she feared, requiring a loan to pay for it. She went from attorney to attorney trying to explain her situation, and "almost all of them were horrible to me. They were acting like I was the problem." This experience, combined with recognizing how badly the court system is set up for divorces (particularly for people in abusive marriages and domestic violence situations), caused her to shift careers midlife. She used her limited maintenance time to get mediation training and build her business. For seven years now, she's helped hundreds of couples navigate divorce, with her approach informed by lived experience of surviving high-conflict marriage.

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