你接下來會聽到的這段訪談是我在去年10月的時候錄制的，這個不到8分鐘的對話，對我的個人成長幫助非常的大，因為我親眼看到了這位朋友的蛻變，而且我現在也在經歷他說的這段變化，因為「減重」而引發的心靈之旅。過去我帶著我全身不到30公斤的東西展開了環球之旅，我心裡一直希望可以幫我的行李減重，可是一直有不能放下的東西。這不就是像我們的人生那樣嗎？總是有想要飛，可是卻放不下一些東西，今年的七月，我帶著7公斤的行李，獨自前往了巴釐島做志工，目前一個月即將過去了，一切都好，我的快樂沒有減少，甚至更豐滿，原來我真的需要的不多。這個對話只有前言一分鐘是中文，後面是全英文，所以我會分成三段來解說下。
Liy (In Chinese):Hello, welcome to Fly with Lily. I am now in my friend's hotel. I told you in the previous episodes that I am looking forward to their visit to Taiwan.
This is my student, Anthony, with his wife, Shu Shu in Kaohsiung. And now it's almost 2 o'clock in the morning. Because today is their last night, so I accompanied them to have dinner.
And then we went to the night market, and then we went to the bar again. We watched some pretty girls dancing, and we were very happy. Yeah, so now the three of us are sitting on this bed.
I'm sitting next to the bedside, and they're lying on the bed now. I just wanted to ask them some questions.
Lily: Hello Anthony!
Anthony: Hello everyone!
Lily: So you and I, we caught up on zoom during Covid time.
Anthony: We did. I tried to set you up with my friend. It didn't go well. It was a fail.
Lily:But anyways, I'm totally surprised to see you. You have a new look. You lost, like, how many pounds?
Anthony: So right now, I would say probably 10 or 11 kilos. Maybe 13 at maximum. But now I'm like 10 or 11.
Lily:That's incredible. Because when I met you, you were bigger.
Anthony: Fatter. Like a fat teddy bear. Now I'm a skinny teddy bear.
Lily: 你好，Anthony
Anthony: 大家好，
Lily: 你和我在疫情期間通過 Zoom 聊天。
Anthony: 是的。我試圖把你介紹給我的朋友，但沒有成功。
Lily: 不管怎樣，我很驚訝看到你。你有了新的面貌。你減了多少磅？
Anthony: 現在大概減了 10 或 11 公斤。最多可能有 13 公斤。但現在大概是 10 或 11 公斤。
Lily: 這真是太棒了。當我見到你時，你更大一些。
Anthony: 像一個胖胖的泰迪熊。現在我是一個瘦瘦的泰迪熊。
Lily: I was also very impressed when you told me about how you discovered yourself. You need to just kind of get lighter.
Anthony: Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, so basically, I had an epiphany moment in early July at a friend's event. There was a moment where I came to the realization that in order to proceed and progress with my life, I needed to remove baggage. That was a central message of what happened is removing baggage, debaggification across three levels, which was physical, mental, and emotional.
The simplest, most straightforward part is the physical. And that's what you probably see. Seven days after that, I started an aggressive diet and physical fitness regimen that I imposed upon myself, which was basically a keto diet, which was removing carbs from my diet, and also doubling the amount of Muay Thai training as I do Muay Thai martial arts.
And as a result, I went from 176 pounds. About two weeks ago, I hit my goal of 150 pounds. I was at 149.6. And now I'm probably at about 152.
It's a work in progress. I think the most straightforward part is the physical. But the physical is the engine that drives mental and emotional.
The central message of the mental was to find... It's basically to remove mental baggage. To remove mental clutter. And to reconnect and find vision.
Things that are really important to me. The things that I was really connected to in my past and are relevant to now, which is relevant in terms of technology, especially in martial arts. And yeah, it ties to what I'm working on from a startup perspective.
The emotional part, I think, is the most difficult. And I think it's something that I think it's most likely that people might misinterpret. But the simple message of that is basically to love myself more unconditionally.If that makes sense.
（在這段對話中，Lily 表示佩服 Anthony 為了發現自己而變瘦的努力。Anthony 分享了他在七月初一個朋友的活動中頓悟，意識到為了前進和進步，他需要去除身體、心理和情感上的包袱。他首先通過激進的生酮飲食和加倍練習泰拳，顯著減重，從 176 磅減到 150 磅左右。他認為身體的改變最直接，但它也驅動了心理和情感的轉變。心理方面，他清理了心理雜物，重新發現和找到願景，特別是與技術和武術相關的目標。情感方面，他認為最困難，但核心是更加無條件地愛自己。）
Lily: 我也很佩服你告訴我你為了要發現自己而需要變瘦。
Anthony: 哦，是的。基本上，我在七月初的一個朋友的活動上有了頓悟。我意識到，為了前進和進步，我需要去除包袱。這是整個過程的核心信息：去除包袱，分別在身體、心理和情感三個層面。
最簡單、最直接的是身體上的改變。這就是你看到的。七天後，我開始了一項自我強加的激進飲食和健身計劃，主要是生酮飲食，去除飲食中的碳水化合物，同時加倍練習泰拳。
結果，我從 176 磅減到了兩周前的目標
