An espresso-sized midweek podcast featuring one of my favourite Zestology guests.

I'm back on Monday with the full podcast, but in the meantime, make yourself an organic, lab-tested, low-mold, mycotoxin-free espresso (er, or whatever you can find) and enjoy.

Listen to the whole episode here:

https://tonywrighton.com/podcast/make-a-boring-list-cate-sevilla-307