Tracy interviews Gretchen Baskerville author of the book and blog "Life-Saving Divorce." Gretchen has been a visible critic of the "Reconciliation Industrial Complex" and Christian evangelical marriage retreats in particular. She's followed up with participants of expensive marriage intensives and found 7 in 10 later divorced or separated within the year. A stark contrast to the "your marriage can be saved in a WEEK" promotionals.

Tracy and Gretchen discuss the victim-blaming and spiritual abuse surrounding divorce and the resources that focus on shaming people, especially women, into staying married all at costs.