Can hilarity and sorrow co-exist? Comedian and actress Cecily Strong (of Saturday Night Live fame) is professionally funny. But after a series of losses, she was forced to discover how devastation and love sometimes exist at the same time—both in great measure. 

In this conversation, Kate and Cecily discuss:

• Why we need to practice changing
• How much of our lives is determined by almostness 
• Moving past the “winning” and “losing” paradigm for illness
• When we can stop being afraid (and how maybe fearlessness is for psychopaths)
• Loving people’s uniqueness
• Why allowing yourself to feel big emotions can be daunting, and how love, beauty, and maybe even magic can be present simultaneously

Kate ends with a Blessing for the Both/And. This deep conversation about the cost of love will surprise you with its tenderness and offers us all a little room to grieve the things we’ve lost.

CW: glioblastoma

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