Cutting Against The Grain

Cutting Against The Grain

By Laura Spath and Judy ChoHealth & FitnessNutrition
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Cutting Against The Grain episodes

  • 52. Importance of Community and Self-Empowerment

    In this episode, Laura and Judy share their thoughts on why community is critical for optimal health. And how to take care of ourselves when the people around us aren’t carnivore.

    • Austin Meat up
    • One Year of CATG
    • How to handle carnivore in the real world
    • Your why and your community (and what will bring you success)
    • Isolation breeds addiction
    • Mindset matters: I can’t vs. I choose
    • Honor yourself (and your boundaries)
    • Reevaluating relationships
    • Identify relationships out of carnivore
    • Accepting that Not all relationships are permanent
    • Find the bridge in relationships
    • Can you change someone?
    • Empowerment
    • Resources

      • KetoCon: Use CATG10 for 10% off your tickets
      • Low Carb Down Under (Australia)
      • CATG Ep 18: Fear, Sabotage and Narcissism with Coach Jessyca
      • CATG Ep 32: Personality Disorders and Defining your Happiness Pie Chart with Dr. Elinor Greenberg
      • CATG Ep 48: Why We're All Experts at Failing Diets with Dr. Robert Cywes
      • NwJ Episode 119: NwJ and Dr. Cywes
      • Kevin Stock’s Guide to Carnivore
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        SPONSORS: 

        • Carnivore Cure 
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          LAURA'S RESOURCES: 

          • Laura's Discount Codes & Interviews
          • Laura's Amazon
          • Laura's YouTube
          • Laura's Instagram
          • _____ 

            JUDY'S RESOURCES:

            • Judy's Book, Carnivore Cure
            • Free #Carnivore75Hard Program
            • Nutrition with Judy Articles
            • Nutrition with Judy Resources
            • Judy's Instagram
            • Nutrition with Judy Podcast
            • Judy's YouTube
            • Judy's Facebook
            • _____ 

              DISCLAIMER: This podcast should never be considered medical advice. We always recommend working with your medical team. Do not self-diagnose. Always seek medical guidance when you have a medical condition.

              43 min
            • 51. Long Term Carnivore. Chicken and Pork PUFAs

              In this episode, Laura and Judy share their thoughts on Dr. Cywes’ thoughts on long term high fat being less than ideal. They also chat about PUFAs in chicken and pork.  

              • Ordering Carnivore at restaurants
              • Is Carnivore high fat long term possible? – Dr. Cywes’ thoughts
              • Insulin spikes
              • Increase in triglycerides and sources of triglycerides
              • Jimmy Moore’s lean protein experiment
              • Lean protein consequences
              • Other ways to lose weight
              • What is high fat?
              • What are lean proteins?
              • 90% zero carb
              • Psychology side of weight loss
              • Blood sugar on carnivore
              • PUFAs 
              • Seed oils, Pork, Chicken and Omega 6
              • Orthorexia vs. balancing real life
              • Resources

                • CATG 48: Chatting with Dr. Cywes
                • NwJ Episode 119: NwJ and Dr. Cywes
                • Jimmy Moore’s Lean Protein Experiment
                • Dr. Andreas Eenfeldt and his interview
                • Dr. Cywes Ep. 209: A High Fat Diet is Not Healthy Long Term
                • NwJ: Should We Stop Eating Chicken and Pork?
                • Seed Oil Studies, and MBPP Ep 670. Conversations
                • Diet Doctor: Vegetable Oils
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                  SPONSORS: 

                  • Carnivore Cure 
                  • KetoCon: Use CATG10 for 10% off your tickets
                  • _____ 

                    LAURA'S RESOURCES: 

                    • Laura's Discount Codes & Interviews
                    • Laura's Amazon
                    • Laura's YouTube
                    • Laura's Instagram
                    • _____ 

                      JUDY'S RESOURCES:

                      • Judy's Book, Carnivore Cure
                      • Free #Carnivore75Hard Program
                      • Nutrition with Judy Articles
                      • Nutrition with Judy Resources
                      • Judy's Instagram
                      • Nutrition with Judy Podcast
                      • Judy's YouTube
                      • Judy's Facebook
                      • _____ 

                        DISCLAIMER: This podcast should never be considered medical advice. We always recommend working with your medical team. Do not self-diagnose. Always seek medical guidance when you have a medical condition.

                        48 min
                      • 50. The Truth About Fasting

                        In this episode, Laura and Judy share their thoughts on the good and bad of fasting. 

                        • Types of fasting
                        • Laura’s fasting journey
                        • Fasting and carnivore
                        • Recommendations of fasting on the internet
                        • Beta cell dysfunction
                        • Autophagy a magic pill?
                        • Feasting vs fasting
                        • Is OMAD disordered eating?
                        • Being honest with yourself
                        • Matthew McConaughey and Dallas Buyers Club
                        • Real talk: Our desires, struggles and 100 years of living

                        • Resources

                          • CATG Ep 8: Fasting
                          • Dr. Dom D’Agostino Fasting
                          • Dr. Peter Attia and Fasting
                          • Dr. Jason Fung and Fasting
                          • Beef Only Diet
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                            SPONSORS: 

                            • Carnivore Cure 
                            • KetoCon: Use CATG10 for 10% off your tickets
                            • _____ 

                              LAURA'S RESOURCES: 

                              • Laura's Discount Codes & Interviews
                              • Laura's Amazon
                              • Laura's YouTube
                              • Laura's Instagram
                              • _____ 

                                JUDY'S RESOURCES:

                                • Judy's Book, Carnivore Cure
                                • Free #Carnivore75Hard Program
                                • Nutrition with Judy Articles
                                • Nutrition with Judy Resources
                                • Judy's Instagram
                                • Nutrition with Judy Podcast
                                • Judy's YouTube
                                • Judy's Facebook
                                • _____ 

                                  DISCLAIMER: This podcast should never be considered medical advice. We always recommend working with your medical team. Do not self-diagnose. Always seek medical guidance when you have a medical condition.

                                  59 min
                                • 49. Ownership and Diet as a Journey

                                  In this episode, Laura and Judy share their thoughts on the conversation with Dr. Cywes. 

                                  • Recap of interview with Dr. Cywes
                                  • Everyone fails at diets
                                  • Blame the person or blame yourself?
                                  • Bias of echo chambers: Like finds like
                                  • Who is responsible: the sellers or the purchasers?
                                  • 2 camps of carnivore: the biohackers and the sick
                                  • Seeing healing as a journey
                                  • Not the What but the Why in eating
                                  • Breaking a habit that makes for you
                                  • Why Judy doesn’t share her meals
                                  • Why melatonin might not be ideal

                                  • Resources

                                    • CATG Ep 48 with Dr. Cywes
                                    • NwJ's Episode with Dr. Robert Cywes
                                    • CATG Ep 19: Sleep
                                    • Dr. Robert Cywes Office
                                    • Dr. Robert Cywest YouTube
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                                      SPONSORS: 

                                      • Carnivore Cure 
                                      • KetoCon: Use CATG10 for 10% off your tickets
                                      • _____ 

                                        LAURA'S RESOURCES: 

                                        • Laura's Discount Codes & Interviews
                                        • Laura's Amazon
                                        • Laura's YouTube
                                        • Laura's Instagram
                                        • _____ 

                                          JUDY'S RESOURCES:

                                          • Judy's Book, Carnivore Cure
                                          • Free #Carnivore75Hard Program
                                          • Nutrition with Judy Articles
                                          • Nutrition with Judy Resources
                                          • Judy's Instagram
                                          • Nutrition with Judy Podcast
                                          • Judy's YouTube
                                          • Judy's Facebook
                                          • _____ 

                                            DISCLAIMER: This podcast should never be considered medical advice. We always recommend working with your medical team. Do not self-diagnose. Always seek medical guidance when you have a medical condition.

                                            52 min
                                          • 48. Why We're All Experts at Failing Diets with Dr. Robert Cywes - Not the What but the Why

                                            In this episode, Laura and Judy share some real talk with Dr. Robert Cywes. All too often, we focus on weight gain or metabolic syndrome, but the root cause can often be an internal, mental struggle. Not everyone thinks they have a not-so-ideal relationship with food, but the truth is that many of us do, especially with carb addiction. This is a very raw and candid discussion about healing our relationships with food that ultimately can lead us to healing.

                                            • Finding what works for you
                                            • Bridge foods and drinks
                                            • Blame and empowerment
                                            • Not the what, but the why
                                            • Mind cleansing moment
                                            • Carbs as a form of emotional management 
                                            • The power of choice (and safe boundaries)
                                            • The real reason for snacking
                                            • Carb addiction vs. safer habits
                                            • Habits: rewards attached without hardship
                                            • Demand-driven vs. supply-driven (toxicity)
                                            • Absolving addiction: humility and experience
                                            • OAC – Own as soon as you can 
                                            • Objectify mistakes but learn the why and figure out an action plan
                                            • One paradigm does not fit all
                                            • Death is a fixed number. Our choices subtract from the number
                                            • How do you respond to _________? What are your emotional management tools? 
                                            • How do you foster: self-esteem, self-confidence and self-respect?

                                            • Resources

                                              NwJ's Episode with Dr. Robert Cywes

                                              Changing for Good, Prachaska

                                              Dr. Robert Cywes Office

                                              Dr. Robert Cywes Instagram

                                              Dr. Robert Cywest YouTube

                                              Dr. Robert Cywes Facebook


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                                              SPONSORS: 

                                              • Carnivore Cure 
                                              • KetoCon: Use CATG10 for 10% off your tickets
                                              • _____ 

                                                LAURA'S RESOURCES: 

                                                • Laura's Discount Codes & Interviews
                                                • Laura's Amazon
                                                • Laura's YouTube
                                                • Laura's Instagram
                                                • _____ 

                                                  JUDY'S RESOURCES:

                                                  • Judy's Book, Carnivore Cure
                                                  • Free #Carnivore75Hard Program
                                                  • Nutrition with Judy Articles
                                                  • Nutrition with Judy Resources
                                                  • Judy's Instagram
                                                  • Nutrition with Judy Podcast
                                                  • Judy's YouTube
                                                  • Judy's Facebook
                                                  • _____ 

                                                    DISCLAIMER: This podcast should never be considered medical advice. We always recommend working with your medical team. Do not self-diagnose. Always seek medical guidance when you have a medical condition.

                                                    1 hr 37 min
                                                  • 47. Troubleshooting Diets and Real-Life Vulnerability

                                                    In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about troubleshooting inconsistent poops, being bored of meat, snacking and low energy. They also answer your Q&As! Make sure to leave any questions on Apple podcasts. They make sure to answer every single one!

                                                    • Regulating stools: loose stools vs constipation
                                                    • How often should you go
                                                    • Why laxatives aren’t ideal
                                                    • When people are bored of meat
                                                    • Snacking
                                                    • Kids and meat-based
                                                    • Variety on carnivore and carnivore recipes
                                                    • Intermittent fasting
                                                    • Low energy
                                                    • Rendered fat
                                                    • Glucose and ketones on meat-only
                                                    • What is good sleep
                                                    • CGMs for sleep
                                                    • Laura’s story of the week
                                                    • CATG’s Community Q&A 

                                                    • CGM Glucose monitor - Get $25 off first month
                                                      Digestive Enzymes 

                                                      Ox Bile 

                                                      Betaine HCl

                                                      NwJ’s Gut Healing Kit – Purchases include NwJ email support

                                                      Comprehensive Stool Test

                                                      Lazy Bowel

                                                      Barbara’s Instagram

                                                      #Carnivore75Hard Community Recipe

                                                      Lady Carnivory Recipes

                                                      Maria Emmerich’s Carnivore Cookbook

                                                      CATG Ep 19: Sleep Episode

                                                      Laura’s BWW Instagram Reel

                                                      Buffalo Wild Wing Locations

                                                      CATG Buzz Sprout Episode Library

                                                      Overcast Podcast App

                                                      CATG Ep 40: Goal Setting

                                                      Society of Metabolic Health Practitioners

                                                      Keto Doctors

                                                      NwJ Customer Support: [email protected]

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                                                      SPONSORS: 

                                                      • Carnivore Cure 
                                                      • KetoCon: Use CATG10 for 10% off your tickets
                                                      • _____ 

                                                        LAURA’S RESOURCES: 

                                                        • Laura’s Discount Codes & Interviews
                                                        • Laura’s Amazon
                                                        • Laura's YouTube
                                                        • Laura's Instagram
                                                        • _____ 

                                                          JUDY'S RESOURCES:

                                                          • Judy’s Book, Carnivore Cure
                                                          • Nutrition with Judy Articles
                                                          • Nutrition with Judy Resources
                                                          • Judy's Instagram
                                                          • _____ 

                                                            DISCLAIMER: This podcast should never be considered medical advice. We always recommend working with your medical team. Do not self-diagnose. Always seek medical guidance when you have a medical condition.

                                                            55 min
                                                          • 46. Uric Acid and Fructose

                                                            In this episode, Judy and Laura share new insight into uric acid and fructose, and what it means for a meat-based carnivore diet. 

                                                            • What is gout? And standard care’s recommendations
                                                            • Normal ranges for uric acid
                                                            • What is uric acid? What are purines?
                                                            • What does it have to do with liver and organ meats? 
                                                            • How uric acid can be different for ketogenic diets 
                                                            • The concern of eating fruits + honey + liver with a meat-only carnivore diet
                                                            • What if you can look healthy and seem to tolerate the additions?
                                                            • Modern day fruits
                                                            • Why is beer risky for carnivores?
                                                            • The polyol pathway (switch)
                                                            • Two camps of Carnivore: Healing illness & metabolic syndrome vs. health has a hobby
                                                            • What the science shows
                                                            • Liver can store toxins
                                                            • What to do with hyper uricemia (high uric acid levels)
                                                            • Dehydration: Drink to thirst
                                                            • Sweeteners
                                                            • How, when and how quickly you are consuming fructose is key
                                                            • Exercise and uric acid
                                                            • CGMs don’t measure fructose
                                                            • Fruits and fructose load (examples)
                                                            • Breakdown of honey and sugar
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                                                              RESOURCES

                                                              Dr. Richard Johnson

                                                              Purine-Rich Food List

                                                              Robert Lustig 

                                                              Fructose List

                                                              NwJ Fruit Post

                                                              CATG Ep 21 – Fruit on Carnivore

                                                              NwJ + Dr. David Perlmutter Interview

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                                                              SPONSORS: 

                                                              • Carnivore Cure 
                                                              • KetoCon: Use CATG10 for 10% off your tickets
                                                              • _____ 

                                                                LAURA’S RESOURCES: 

                                                                • Laura’s Discount Codes & Interviews
                                                                • Laura’s Amazon
                                                                • Laura's YouTube
                                                                • Laura's Instagram
                                                                • _____ 

                                                                  JUDY'S RESOURCES:

                                                                  • Judy’s Book, Carnivore Cure
                                                                  • Free #Carnivore75Hard Program
                                                                  • Nutrition with Judy Articles
                                                                  • Nutrition with Judy Resources
                                                                  • Judy's Instagram
                                                                  • Nutrition with Judy Podcast
                                                                  • Judy's YouTube
                                                                  • Judy's Facebook
                                                                  • _____ 

                                                                    DISCLAIMER: This podcast should never be considered medical advice. We always recommend working with your medical team. Do not self-diagnose. Always seek medical guidance when you have a medical condition.

                                                                    45 min
                                                                  • 45. Low Carb, Keto, Carnivore Bloodwork – The What and Why for Preventative Health

                                                                    In this episode, Laura and Judy continue the discussion from the low carb conference and talk about bloodwork and steps to be a self-advocate.

                                                                    • Bloodwork and what to check
                                                                    • Low carb vs. standard diet markers
                                                                    • Fasted glucose vs. A1C
                                                                    • Insulin (LP-IR)
                                                                    • What is C-Peptide?
                                                                    • Getting your doctor to order tests
                                                                    • Kraft test and Glucose Tolerance Test (testing while pregnant)
                                                                    • Serum insulin sensitivity vs. beta cell sensitivity 
                                                                    • Statins and statistics
                                                                    • Cholesterol (NMR particle size)
                                                                    • “Normal” cholesterol markers for carnivores
                                                                    • Advocate for your health

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                                                                      RESOURCES

                                                                      Boca Raton Conference 

                                                                      NwJ Complete Wellness Panel Bloodwork

                                                                      NwJ Complete Thyroid Panel Bloodwork

                                                                      Omega 3/6 Bloodwork Home Test

                                                                      Ingredients in the Glucose Tolerate Test Beverage

                                                                      David Diamond and Cholesterol

                                                                      David Diamond’s Myths and Mischief in Medical Research

                                                                      NMR Sample Panel

                                                                      NMR Explanation

                                                                      C-Peptide info

                                                                      Kraft Test info

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                                                                      SPONSORS: 

                                                                      • Carnivore Cure 
                                                                      • KetoCon: Use CATG10 for 10% off the 3-day pass
                                                                      • _____ 

                                                                        LAURA’S RESOURCES: 

                                                                        • Laura’s Discount Codes & Interviews
                                                                        • Laura’s Amazon
                                                                        • Laura's YouTube
                                                                        • Laura's Instagram
                                                                        • _____ 

                                                                          JUDY'S RESOURCES:

                                                                          • Judy’s Book, Carnivore Cure
                                                                          • Free #Carnivore75Hard Program
                                                                          • Nutrition with Judy Articles
                                                                          • Nutrition with Judy Resources
                                                                          • Judy's Instagram
                                                                          • Nutrition with Judy Podcast
                                                                          • Judy's YouTube
                                                                          • Judy's Facebook
                                                                          • _____ 

                                                                            DISCLAIMER: This podcast should never be considered medical advice. We always recommend working with your medical team. Do not self-diagnose. Always seek medical guidance when you have a medical condition.

                                                                            45 min
                                                                          • 44. Gout, Cholesterol, Insulin, Exercise – Thoughts from the Low Carb Conference

                                                                            In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about low carb topics discussed at the Low Carb Boca Raton conference. 

                                                                            • About the conference
                                                                            • Importance of hope and community
                                                                            • Topics and Discussions from Low Carb Conference, Boca Raton
                                                                            • Honey and PUFAs
                                                                            • Read life vs. ideal eating
                                                                            • CGM as a motivation tool
                                                                            • Stress and blood sugars
                                                                            • Early signs of diabetes
                                                                            • C-Peptide
                                                                            • Dr. Ben’s exercise
                                                                            • Gout, uric acid: fructose, purines
                                                                            • Cholesterol
                                                                            • Lean Mass Hyper Responder (LMHR)
                                                                            • Cholesterol Code
                                                                            • Coronary Artery Calcium (Agatston score)
                                                                            • The human side of experts
                                                                            • Eating disorders and standard care treatments
                                                                            • Lipedema
                                                                            • Sleep and satiety
                                                                            • Insulin suppressed?
                                                                            • Context and nuance in health
                                                                            • Hyperinsulinemia and insulin resistance
                                                                            • A story to reflect on: We need to heal our communities

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                                                                              RESOURCES

                                                                              Boca Raton Conference 

                                                                              KetoCon: Use CATG10 for 10% off the 3-day pass

                                                                              NwJ Channel

                                                                              Dr. Ken Berry

                                                                              Dr. Ben’s book, 15 Minutes to Fitness and YouTube

                                                                              Dr. Phil Ovadia and his book, Stay off my Operating Table

                                                                              Dr. Pete and Gout

                                                                              Dave Feldman, Siobhan Huggins: Cholesterol Code


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                                                                              SPONSORS: 

                                                                              • Carnivore Cure 
                                                                              • KetoCon: Use CATG10 for 10% off the 3-day pass
                                                                              • _____ 

                                                                                LAURA’S RESOURCES: 

                                                                                • Laura’s Discount Codes & Interviews
                                                                                • Laura’s Amazon
                                                                                • Laura's YouTube
                                                                                • Laura's Instagram
                                                                                • _____ 

                                                                                  JUDY'S RESOURCES:

                                                                                  • Judy’s Book, Carnivore Cure
                                                                                  • Free #Carnivore75Hard Program
                                                                                  • Nutrition with Judy Articles
                                                                                  • Nutrition with Judy Resources
                                                                                  • Judy's Instagram
                                                                                  • Nutrition with Judy Podcast
                                                                                  • Judy's YouTube
                                                                                  • Judy's Facebook
                                                                                  • _____ 

                                                                                    DISCLAIMER: This podcast should never be considered medical advice. We always recommend working with your medical team. Do not self-diagnose. Always seek medical guidance when you have a medical condition.

                                                                                    1 hr 11 min
                                                                                  • 43. When Dieting Gets Hard, How to Stay on Track

                                                                                    In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about when diets lose their luster and cravings kick in. They share how they navigate those hard times. 

                                                                                    • When things get hard
                                                                                    • What Laura does when things get hard
                                                                                    • Tracking for motivation
                                                                                    • Why tracking might be ideal (for some) initially
                                                                                    • Physical hunger vs emotional hunger
                                                                                    • Gauging hunger levels with one food
                                                                                    • When diet excitement starts waning and real life kicks in
                                                                                    • Pros and cons list
                                                                                    • Break the day into quadrants
                                                                                    • Starting is hard
                                                                                    • Planning cheat days
                                                                                    • Abstainers vs moderators (bridge foods)
                                                                                    • Find motivational resources and community
                                                                                    • Delay and distract
                                                                                    • Temporary priority shift
                                                                                    • Healing when you stay consistent

                                                                                    • _____ 

                                                                                      RESOURCES

                                                                                      CATG Ep 2: Stress Management

                                                                                      CATG Ep 9: Practicing Patience Even When It’s Hard

                                                                                      Carnivore Cast

                                                                                      Joan Ifland: Food Addiction

                                                                                      The Obesity Code Podcast with Jason Fung and Megan Ramos

                                                                                      Atomic Habits


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                                                                                      SPONSORS: 

                                                                                      • Carnivore Cure 
                                                                                      • _____ 

                                                                                        LAURA’S RESOURCES: 

                                                                                        • Laura’s Discount Codes & Interviews
                                                                                        • Laura’s Amazon
                                                                                        • Laura's YouTube
                                                                                        • Laura's Instagram
                                                                                        • _____ 

                                                                                          JUDY'S RESOURCES:

                                                                                          • Judy’s Book, Carnivore Cure
                                                                                          • Free #Carnivore75Hard Program
                                                                                          • Nutrition with Judy Articles
                                                                                          • Nutrition with Judy Resources
                                                                                          • Judy's Instagram
                                                                                          • Nutrition with Judy Podcast
                                                                                          • Judy's YouTube
                                                                                          • Judy's Facebook
                                                                                          • _____ 

                                                                                            DISCLAIMER: This podcast should never be considered medical advice. We always recommend working with your medical team. Do not self-diagnose. Always seek medical guidance when you have a medical condition.

                                                                                            43 min

                                                                                          About Cutting Against The Grain

                                                                                          From the publisher's feed

                                                                                          Cutting Against the Grain is a podcast from Judy Cho (Nutrition with Judy) and Laura Spath. Both Judy and Laura understand the struggle when it comes to balancing ideal eating and real-life. In…