Fred Penner is a Canadian sensation whose television show and hit songs like “The Cat Came Back” was part of so many of our childhoods. But what few of us knew was how much he understood the pain of growing up. He lost his alcoholic father and his 12-year-old sister in the same year. He turned to music. And his gentle wisdom and songs have invited us—children and adults alike—to stay curious and kind in a hard world.

In this episode, Kate and Fred discuss: 

• Music as the language of the heart 
• How to speak to the heart of a kid
• Plus, we get to hear Fred sing some of his favorite songs

I have so many memories singing along to Fred’s music as a kid and felt so lucky to get to speak to him today. 

CW: alcoholism, death of sibling

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