As our team takes time off for the holidays, we are sharing the conversations Sarah and Beth had this year about Habits of the Heart. This final episode originally aired in December for our premium members on Substack.

Whether you’re also taking a well-deserved break, spending time with family, or just looking for something meaningful to listen to, we hope you’ll join us to revisit (or enjoy for the first time!) this thoughtful exploration from Sarah and Beth of this powerful, prescient book.

Beth subtitled this section, “Good Luck, Babes.” They talk about the problem of individualism, how we need to make not just a good life, but a good society, why we need to argue more, and the struggle in realizing that nothing systemic can save us from personal suffering.

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