Healers Get Vulnerable

We're sharing one of our favorite episodes as an encore this week.

How do you create and fill a group program?

How do you navigate a full therapy practice at the same time?

We're about to go behind the scenes and find out exactly how my guest has done it.

Meet Sonya Brewer, a trauma specialist and relationship expert who specializes in creative life and relationship design for overachieving trauma survivors and their partners.

She created Badass Boundaries, a 12-week group mentorship program for overachieving trauma survivors.

Here's some of what we talked about:

• Sonya's framework to help trauma survivors transform their relationship to boundaries
• Creating Badass Boundaries, her 12-week group mentorship program for overachieving trauma survivors
• How Sonya helps people befriend their bodies as they do boundary work
• The benefits of offering 1:1 asynchronous coaching in the program
• How she filled her program
• Sonya's advice about running valuable and joyful free workshops (engage with your participants!)
• How and why Sonya runs her discovery calls
• Navigating building this program while also running a full private practice
• Leaning what works for her as a socially motivated person, including having a coach and scheduling co-working sessions
• Her weekly planning ritual
• Why she chose "mentor" as the name for her role in this program rather than "coach"
• The anxiety provoking process of keeping her two businesses separate

Show notes at https://rebeltherapist.me/podcast/214

How can you create a business if you're a disruptor in your field?

If you've got a unique voice and you're finding yourself pushing back against most others in your field, that could actually be a wonderful thing for your business.

Today's guest has carved out an important space right at the intersection of the Body Liberation and Pro-Aging movements. And she's pretty much on her own as a leader there.

Meet Deb Benfield, a Nutrition and Body Relationship Coach with over 35 years of experience working with women to heal their relationships with food, eating and their bodies.

You'll hear why Deb created a program for women in mid-life and beyond, how she designed her program and grew her audience, and what works to fill her program.

Here's some of what we talked about:

• Why she's alone at intersection of the Pro-Aging and Body Liberation movements
• How she designed her program
• Streamlining her program and leaving more room for integration
• How she grounds herself when stepping into her work
• Pivoting her niche and feeling the stress of losing some audience members (but gaining others)
• Where most of her participants find her
• How she collaborates with other creators

Show notes at https://rebeltherapist.me/podcast/213

I'm grateful to be running a tiny and simple business right now. I have no plans to grow this business up to 7 figures.

I was a bit hesitant to tell you that!

I feel some fear that you won't think I'm a badass, or you'll think I have upper limit problems or limited beliefs.

Maybe you won't want to hire me because I'm not as ambitious as you hoped.

Or if you're my friend who runs a larger and more complicated business, maybe you'll think I'm judging you when you hear what I have to say about running a tiny business.

(I'm not. I promise!)

But since I have the desire to be radically honest and I think this serves you, I'm sharing it anyway.

I trust you to identify the parts of this that fit for you and the parts that don't.

Note: I'm talking about service based businesses, because that's what I know best.

Capitalism tends to point us towards one vision of what it means to be a successful business owner. And that's being a business owner who always makes and does MORE.

Capitalism tends to pull us AWAY from noticing when we have enough, or even considering what enough might be.

Us feeling enoughness or satisfaction is NOT helpful to capitalism.

Here's the default vision of a successful business owner:

• They've got a company bringing in revenue of 7 figures or more.
• They've hired a big team.
• They expand their business to serve more people year over year.
• These numbers are all as big as possible: total revenue, number of team members, number of followers, and number of people served.
• This person might be a coach who runs a course or membership with hundreds or thousands of members at a time. Perhaps they also have many many other offers at many price points.

But when I look around at my colleagues and friends who are having a good time and feeling fairly stable financially, I tend to see a people with tiny and simple businesses.

Here's the vision of that (tiny) business owner:

• They've got a tiny team, like zero or one employees.
• They've got smaller revenue, like under 500k, but they get to keep more than half of that money.
• Their tech is simple.
• They don't have much overhead.
• They have one or two high-touch offers.

Sometimes people come work with me hoping to create huge empires. I'm delighted to help them because the first phase in creating an empire should be to create a really solid small business. And that is what I help with.

When you start with a tiny, strong and simple business, you focus on creating value. And that's where every business needs to start.

Listen to the episode to hear

• 2 stories of folks who scaled big, hated it, and decided to simplify and shrink their businesses
• How I keep Rebel Therapist simple
• How you can still serve more people with a tiny business

Show notes at https://rebeltherapist.me/podcast/212

How do you discover the work you're meant to create? Today's episode is a master class on how to allow the collective and your spirit to pull you in that direction.

Judy Hu created a framework for boundary healing. Then she wrote a bestselling book: The Boundary Revolution: Decolonize Your Relationships and Discover A New Path To Joy.

She's a Licensed Mental Health Counselor turned Boundary Coach based in Massachusetts.

You'll hear the intensely personal and brave process Judy went through to develop and share her work.

Here's some of what we talked about:

• Creating a group program for BIPoC folks around boundaries in summer of 2020
• Discovering that work can be fun, exciting and enjoyable
• Bringing together many lineages to create her method
• Hiring a social media team to get more visible
• Losing relationships as she stepped into being unapologetically herself
• Writing her book and changing the topic halfway through the first draft
• Why it's terrifying to launch her book
• How she's struggling and growing with the tech and administrative parts of running her business

Show notes at https://rebeltherapist.me/podcast/211

I got this question recently from someone getting ready to expand their business to beyond private practice. They want to start offering a non-therapy program within their own business.

"Should I create my own program from scratch, or should I just deliver an established method from a well-known person?"

For example, although it's not the example this person gave: Brene Brown's Dare To Lead method.

Here's my answer without knowing any of the particulars.

First of all…nothing is new under the sun. Whatever program you offer will be influenced by your learning lineages and your mentors…

So the REAL question is: will you create something new by bringing together many influences, giving them all credit, and blending them in a unique way?

OR

Will you primarily use one established method from a mentor and jump through the hoops of getting that license or certification or purchasing that curriculum, so that you can use it in its entirety and put their name on it?

To figure this out, ask yourself: What is the truest, most high quality and aligned offering you can make right now?

Which choice will be of the highest service to your participants?

A good reason to use someone else's method is that you feel clear that it is the most aligned choice.

A misguided reason to use someone else's method is that you think it will be easier to create and sell it.

Since you're creating this program within your business, you will likely be working just as hard with either choice.

Whether you sell someone else's method or create your own, you will…

• Identify who it's for (your niche)
• Create or adapt the program
• Do messaging and marketing work to bring in participants

In the business I'm running now, I've created my own method while giving a ton of credit to the people I've learn from.

You can't get through my program without hearing about Tara McMullin, the business strategist who has had the biggest influence on me. And you hear about many other folks whose influences are woven into my programs.

At this point I'm so hooked on creating my own processes and weaving together many influences, I can't imagine I'll ever teach someone else's entire method ever again.

But once I did! In this week's episode, I share a story about running a couples workshop using someone else's method with permission. Listen to learn from my experience so you can skip my mistakes.

Show notes at https://rebeltherapist.me/podcast/210

Even if you already work with the niche you want to work with in your private practice, you might ALSO love having an innovative signature program as an additional way to serve them.

Danika Maddocks is a parent coach who's passionate about supporting parents of gifted and twice-exceptional kids. She's been partnering with bright kids and their families for over a dozen years as a teacher and therapist.

You're going to hear why she created a signature program for twice exceptional kids, and you'll hear how she grows her business without becoming a full-time marketer.

Here's some of what we talked about:

• Why she wanted to create a group program for parents of twice exceptional kids (kids who are both gifted AND neurodivergent)
• How she designed her 8-week program
• Using asynchronous coaching between live calls
• The simple and effective ways she grows an engaged audience and gets referrals
• The system she uses to sell her program each time she launches

Show notes at https://rebeltherapist.me/podcast/209

"Has it been extra challenging to sell group programs lately?"

"How do I figure out what niche to choose and what program to create?"

"When is it the right time for Facebook or Instagram ads?"

I ran a free and open coaching call recently for everyone in our audience, including podcast listeners, clients, and email subscribers.

A record number of folks submitted questions, and I spent over an hour riffing on a bunch of them.

We had such a great response from the attendees that I decided to share the entire call recording with you.

You'll hear my answers to the questions above and more, including:

My program isn't selling. Is it priced too high?

How do I take a break from my business for a big life circumstance?

Is it OK to post or send emails sporadically? Or should I do it consistently or not at all?

How much of an expert do I have to be in my topic area?

How much of an ROI do you get from social media?

Is it a good idea to start a program with a friend?

Do I have to get my private practice stable before I start a program?

What if some things in my program were influenced by the work of others?

How do I carve out time for following through with creative ideas if I'm overwhelmed and exhausted by my caseload?

Show notes at https://rebeltherapist.me/podcast/208

Can you REALLY make great money running a program that you love and that's based on what you do best?

Rebecca Lee does. And she's got a year-long waitlist.

As a social worker and supervisor for social workers, she felt a pull to create something totally different, something that wouldn't fit into the box of supervision or therapy or even coaching as we know it.

At first, she struggled with giving herself permission to do it.

In this episode, you'll hear how she created something that only she could create and why her family's farm is part of it.

If you've wondered if your idea is too out there, this is going to give you a big dose of permission to create your program.

Rebecca Lee is a Clinical Supervisor and Eco therapist who works with therapists, wellness professionals and healers to tap into their own rhythm, health and vision so they can create an impactful and joyful professional lives for themselves. Her work is centered around how we can re-connect with our authentic landscape through social justice, anti-oppression, seasonal landscape relationship, Yoga and Ayerveda practices.

Here's some of what we talked about:

• Creating a group program for social workers and other givers who want to find a new way of working and living
• Helping her participants step into their natural rhythms and give themselves permission to do what they really want to
• How she built the year-long program, Becoming Home and her other program, Supervision Circle
• Running in-person retreats on her family farm
• Providing asynchronous 1:1 support in her programs
• Using mostly word-of-mouth to fill her programs with a year-long waitlist!

Show notes at https://rebeltherapist.me/podcast/207

In the last episode of Rebel Therapist Podcast, talked to Claire Pelletreau about switching roles with her husband so that she's no longer the default parent.

That change made a REALLY big difference in her business.

Because she made that change she's able to take on big projects, and make more money.

And that got me thinking about what boundaries help me take on the big stuff that really makes me happy, makes a big impact and sometimes makes my business lots of money.

In that exploration I realized that I go through two steps when I'm creating a new boundary:

1. I realize that I need the boundary.
2. I decide I'm going to insist on protecting that boundary.

Until I've really made the decision that I'm going to insist on the boundary, it's pretty hopeless.

TRYING to hold a boundary before I've fully decided doesn't do it. That's a half-assed boundary.

In this episode I walk through a couple of examples of boundaries I've created recently that are helping increase my joy and capacity.

Both of these are about finally having my own home office.

This episode is NOT about me giving you advice that you need to a quiet home office too…or that you have to do what Claire did and switch roles with your spouse.

I don't know what you need or what's possible for you right now. Rather, it's about each of us figuring out what we want and need, and then when we can, claiming those boundaries for ourselves.

Show notes at https://rebeltherapist.me/podcast/206

It's really fucking hard to be a mother entrepreneur with young kids, especially if you're the default or primary parent.

My guest this week has a robust business and she makes good money.

She realized last year that she was afraid to take on big projects in her business because as the primary parent of 2 young kids, she didn't consistently have the capacity she'd need to carry them through. She and her husband decided to switch roles. In this conversation she talks about what's changed since they made that switch.

We also talk about how we each navigate the complicated and ever changing terrain of co-parenting and doing life with our spouses.

Claire Pelletreau is a Facebook and Instagram ads expert and conversion optimization expert. Her mission is to actually help people see a return on the money they're putting into the Zuckerberg machine without the expensive help of an outside ad consultant. Claire is also the host of The Get Paid Podcast where she asks her guests everything about their businesses, including how much they charge - and how much they earn. Annie was a guest in May of 2022.

She's also my coach.

Here's some of what we talked about:

• The conversation with her husband that led to switching roles
• The resentment Claire used to feel about holding the family to-do list
• Dealing with the cultural expectations of what a mother is supposed to do
• How she feels different from most moms she meets
• The joy of sometimes traveling alone

Show notes at https://rebeltherapist.me/podcast/205