In this final clip from my interview on Soul Shaking Love, we dive into the tough questions about narcissistic change: How do you encourage someone to get help? Why is real transformation so hard for those with narcissistic traits? We uncover the painful split between fantasy and reality that keeps many stuck—and why bridging that divide is key to healing. If you’ve ever wondered why change feels out of reach, this conversation sheds light on the heart of the struggle. 

Listen to full episode here: 

Spotify:  https://open.spotify.com/show/2R3EZ6W5UpDRXnM9QMYO5p?si=tm49CCEzQjqAPs9Eq0aJfw

Apple Podcast:  https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/soul-shaking-love/id1435934531

YouTube Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2C3HT5ponKg5R1rkzgQaCH57qAvjLtiT

Valerie's Website: https://coachvaleriegreene.com/podcast/anthony/

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Dr. Anthony Mazzella is a psychoanalyst and psychodynamic psychotherapist specializing in narcissism, personality disorders, and relational dynamics.