Poet Kate Baer found herself inundated with the demands of motherhood and little time to write. Nothing was easy and then, at a breaking point, it felt impossible. If she wanted a creative life, she was going to have to redefine “perfection” (perfect mom! perfect woman!) and learn to tolerate a lot more imperfection instead.  

On this episode of Kate & Kate, they discuss:

• How friendships give permission to speak honestly (and why your friendships are actually important)
• Why not every experience (motherhood, marriage) is “fulfilling”
• How they each went off-script to find meaning
• Kate Baer’s great love for Panera Bread

CW: postpartum depression

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