Living in uncertainty can lead to a sense of languishing. How do we wake up from this feeling?

Katherine May has written gorgeous books like Wintering and Enchantment that help us better understand how to live wide-awake to the world around us. 

In this conversation, Kate and Katherine discuss: 

• How we move from languishing to enchantment
• Why we need community more now than maybe ever
• Why we both hate gratitude journals

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