In this conversation, Joel Evan interviews Forrest Smith, founder of Kineon, about the transformative potential of red light therapy and its applications in health and wellness. They discuss Forrest's journey from building startups to focusing on impactful health technology, the science behind red light therapy, and the differences between laser and LED technologies. The conversation also explores the importance of dosing in achieving physiological outcomes, the expansion of Kineon's product line to include gut health and vagus nerve stimulation, and the future of health technology innovations.