Abe and Erin sit down with Omani & Jeanie Carson—partners for 43 years—to unpack what actually sustains a long relationship: losing and re-finding yourself, taking space (they separated for three years), and then doing the hard work to come back stronger. We go inside their five-hour, therapist-guided MDMA-assisted session—how prep, boundaries, and integration dropped defenses and reignited intimacy—and why they now help other couples pursue similar, medically supervised healing at Carson Healing Ranch and the Heartland Gathering. We also hit practicals: why moms can’t “disappear” into motherhood, men’s mental health and vulnerability, and a simple practice they swear by—the “Perfect Year” exercise. Candid, useful, and very human. (Psychedelic therapy is discussed; this episode isn’t medical advice.)

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