Mamamia Out Loud

Blake Lively has broken her silence on the It Ends With Us chaos, calling it “manufactured shame". With Justin Baldoni’s $614 million countersuit just dismissed, it’s validation for Lively — but the real drama’s not over till 2026. Mia, Jessie and Em Vernem discuss. 

Plus, Wife Guys. You’ve seen them online — gushing about their spouses like it’s their full-time job. Mia, Jessie and Em ask: is it wholesome... or a red flag?

And finally, are we OK? Sydney Sweeney is selling 'vintage' soap made from her actual bath water, and Bonnie Blue was all set to launch a human petting zoo with herself as the star attraction — until Only Fans banned her. We unpack the trend of women turning themselves into brands and whether it’s empowerment to be proud of or something else that's far more troubling.

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What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: Jessie & The Inside Scoop On The Project's Cancellation
• Listen: LITTLE TREAT: The Money Pushover & A Woman Named Karen
• Listen: A Famous Mother & A Treacherous Daughter
• Listen: "We're Having A Baby #SPONCON"
• Listen: Khloe Kardashian And A Cheating Scandal
• Listen: The Lick Ick & The Patron Saint of Betrayed Women
• Listen: We Need To Debrief On 'And Just Like That' Season Three, Ep One
• Listen to Parenting Out Loud: Grandparents — It's Time for Your Performance Review
• Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts 

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What to read: 

• Justin Baldoni just responded to his lawsuit being dismissed. He’s not taking it lying down.
• Justin Baldoni claimed Blake Lively extorted Taylor Swift. A judge has just thrown out his letter.
• Blake Lively isn't the first person to sue Justin Baldoni.
• Thousands of armed troops, an Aussie reporter shot and exactly what's going on in LA right now.
• A woman, a glass box, and 2,000 men. We’ve been here before, and it never ends well.
• Bonnie Blue, Lily Philips and the grim truth behind their recording breaking sex 'feats'.
• Why you should never trust a Hollywood Wife Guy.
• The Project is ending soon and Network 10 explained exactly what happened.

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GET IN TOUCH:

Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

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Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. 

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Outlouders, we’ve unlocked a juicy bonus episode for your long weekend listening pleasure. Why? Because Jessie drops some absolute gold in this one, and it’s simply too good to gatekeep.

Are you that friend—the one who always pays the bill, then simmers in silent rage while your mates mysteriously 'forget' to transfer their share? The one who’d rather sell a kidney than send a “Hey, can you pay me back?” text?

Congrats, you might be a money pushover. But don’t worry—today’s episode is basically therapy. One brave Outlouder shares her tale of financial frustration, and Jessie serves up a no-cringe guide to getting your money back without spiralling into an anxiety pit.

PLUS: What do you do when your name becomes... a meme? Listener Karen has a full-blown identity crisis, and we have thoughts. Spoiler: changing your name isn’t off the table.

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What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: A Famous Mother & A Treacherous Daughter
• Listen: "We're Having A Baby #SPONCON"
• Listen: Khloe Kardashian And A Cheating Scandal
• Listen: The Lick Ick & The Patron Saint of Betrayed Women
• Listen: We Need To Debrief On 'And Just Like That' Season Three, Ep One
• Listen: Harry, Brooklyn And The Epidemic of Family Estrangement
• Listen to Parenting Out Loud: Grandparents — It's Time for Your Performance Review

Watch Mamamia Out Loud:

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GET IN TOUCH:

Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message

Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.

Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

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Big news, friends. Jessie Stephens and Amelia Lester are bringing a whole new vibe to parenting podcasts with this brand new mini series: Parenting Out Loud. 

If you're deep in the trenches, Parenting Out Loud will help make your world feel just that little bit bigger with the week's hot topics explored, examined and digested. Because if parents are thinking about it, we're talking about it. 

On this week's episode, grandparents get a long overdue performance review, we unpack the article that stopped us in our tracks, take a deep dive into Mormon Wives (and mothers), and investigate the playroom that got Amelia all riled up. 

Plus, recommendations: A fool-proof recipe, a genius toy to get kids off screens and a book that shines a light on sibling relationships. 

Come join the conversation. New eps drop Saturdays. No shoulder spit-ups required. 

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Recommendations

Jessie wants you to bake these oat bars AND recommends the toy, Tonies.

Amelia wants you to read Intermezzo by Sally Rooney.

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GET IN TOUCH:

Share your feedback! Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] 

Join our Facebook group Mamamia Family to talk about the show.

Follow us on Instagram @mamamia_family

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

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The daughter of a famous woman has exposed the reality of caring for someone with dementia in her new book. It’s honest, raw, confronting… but how much of the story is her’s to tell? 

And do we want a ‘big life’, or are we okay with something smaller? Jessie, Holly and Em Vernem discuss, but one of us is lying about our answer.

Also, our recommendations for your mouth and ears including a podcast which might make you teary, the best veggie side dish recipe, and a stay-put lipstick that Em swears by. 

Plus, Em has a bone to pick with tunnels, Jessie is entering terrible two territory, and Holly’s life-changing appliance upgrade: it’s our Bests & Worsts of the week. 

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What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: "We're Having A Baby #SPONCON"
• Listen: Khloe Kardashian And A Cheating Scandal
• Listen: The Lick Ick & The Patron Saint of Betrayed Women
• Listen: We Need To Debrief On 'And Just Like That' Season Three, Ep One
• Listen: Harry, Brooklyn And The Epidemic of Family Estrangement

Check out the No Filter Gracie otto interview with Kate Langbroek here.

Check out the MID Caroline Baum interview with Holly Wainwright here.

Watch Mamamia Out Loud:

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What to read: 

• Caring for a parent with dementia? Here's what an expert wants you to know.
• 'While my parents were suffering from dementia, my brother did something unthinkable.'
• 'Every single product I used on my face for the Mamamia Out Loud Live Tour.'
• From a no-bake dessert to a tangy salad: The Mamamia team share their go-to recipes.
• 'I'm a mum of 3. Here are 4 weeknight dinner hacks... that actually work.'

Recommendations:

Em wants you to try the Sephora Collection New Cream Lip Stain 

Jessie wants you to listen to Hold The Moment.

Holly wants you to try Grandma green beans - a recipe from Virginia Trioli’s book A Bit On The Side.

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GET IN TOUCH:

Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message

Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.

Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud

Credits

Hosts: Emily Vernem, Jessie Stephens & Holly Wainwright

Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Video Producer: Josh Green

Junior Content Producers: Coco & Tessa

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

There are five distinct types of female anger, and Deborra Lee Furness might be the patron saint of all of them. But which one are you? Mia, Jessie and Holly discuss on today's show. 

Also, Chief Taylor Swift Correspondent (aka Mia) has had a very exciting weekend, and explains what Tay Tay 'having ownership' of her master recordings actually means.

Plus, we've officially got the lick ick from the first episode of And Just Like That. Jessie talks fluff TV and why we keep coming back to certain shows for comfort. 

And the young Australian farmer with a book deal who’s felt the wrath of Booktok — and what Holly thinks the internet has misunderstood.

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What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: We Need To Debrief On 'And Just Like That' Season Three, Ep One
• Listen: The Mushroom Trial Details We Can't Stop Thinking About
• Listen: Harry, Brooklyn And The Epidemic of Family Estrangement
• Listen: The Lies We Tell
• Listen: The Macron Shove, A Divorce Statement & Some ADHD News
• Listen: Jessie's Crisis Of Ambition
• Listen: Kris Jenner Thinks You're a Grub
• Listen: Dream Jobs & Situationships: Can You Really Ever Have It All?

What to read: 

• Read: Luke Bateman was on The Bachelor Australia. Now he's going viral for an unlikely reason.
• Read: It took 8 years for Angelina Jolie to divorce Brad Pitt. He's just made a rare comment about it.
• Read: The one question we're all asking now that Taylor Swift owns her own music.
• Read: The new season of And Just Like That feels wildly different, for one reason that will make you smile.
• Read: And Just Like That is coming back, and a controversial character is missing.

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Mamamia studios are styled with furniture from Fenton and Fenton 

GET IN TOUCH:

Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message

Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.

Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Carrie’s back in her heels, Miranda’s mid-metamorphosis, and Charlotte is Charlotte-ing at full throttle — And Just Like That Season 3 is back, baby.

In this very special episode, we’re clinking Cosmos and diving into Season 3's premiere which brightened up our start to this weekend by dropping on Max on Friday. What’s going on with each of our NYC girls? What’s the setup for the season ahead? And which surprising cameos might just appear?

Friends, we’ve got thoughts. And theories. So many theories. 🍿

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What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: Harry, Brooklyn And The Epidemic of Family Estrangement
• Listen: The Lies We Tell
• Listen: The Macron Shove, A Divorce Statement & Some ADHD News
• Listen: Jessie's Crisis Of Ambition
• Listen: Kris Jenner Thinks You're a Grub
• Listen: Dream Jobs & Situationships: Can You Really Ever Have It All?
• Listen: What We've All Forgotten About Tom Cruise
• Listen: Is OnlyFans Cheating?

What to read: 

• Read: The new season of And Just Like That feels wildly different, for one reason that will make you smile.
• Read: Miranda's new love interest and Aidan's departure: Everything we know about And Just Like That season 3.
• Read: Another death is coming on And Just Like That. This one is going to cut like a knife.
• Read: Samantha Jones appeared on And Just Like That for just 74 seconds. It cost $350,000.
• Read: MIA FREEDMAN: 'Was Carrie always a monster or did we just not notice?'

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GET IN TOUCH:

Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message

Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.

Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

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Family drama is having a moment — and not just in your group chats. From the Beckhams' brewing rift (Brooxit, anyone?) to the ongoing Harry and Meghan royal family saga, the epidemic of estrangement has officially gone celebrity.

This week, we unpack the headlines, the heartache, and what happens when family ties unravel in the public eye.

Plus, our weekend recs: a book that brought tears, the most honest portrayal of divorce on screen, and a little dance treat to lift the mood.

And in Best & Worsts: a numb bum, a dog fight, and a chaotic Friday night dinner. It’s all happening.

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What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: The Lies We Tell
• Listen: The Macron Shove, A Divorce Statement & Some ADHD News
• Listen: Jessie's Crisis Of Ambition
• Listen: Kris Jenner Thinks You're a Grub
• Listen: Dream Jobs & Situationships: Can You Really Ever Have It All?
• Listen: What We've All Forgotten About Tom Cruise
• Listen: Is OnlyFans Cheating?

What to read: 

• Read: HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: 'To understand the Beckham family estrangement, we need to go back to 1999.'
• Read: The Beckham family feud rumours are still rife. Brooklyn's latest comment hasn't helped.
• Read: Prince Harry said he misses the UK but can't take his children there. Buckingham Palace responded.
• Read: Meghan and Harry left the royal family for their kids. This is Archie and Lilibet's life now.
• Read: Are the Sussexes and Beckhams feuding? Apparently, their beef started in Australia.

Recommendations:

Mia wants you to watch Etoile on Prime. 

Jessie wants you to watch Scenes From a Marriage.

Holly wants you to read Lonely Mouth by Jacqueline Maley.

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Credits

Hosts: Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens & Holly Wainwright

Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Video Producer: Josh Green

Junior Content Producers: Coco & Tessa

GET IN TOUCH:

Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message

Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.

Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hugh Jackman and Deborra-Lee Furness — their divorce has been simmering for years. So why the sudden searing statement and drip-feeding leaks to the press? Mia, Holly and Jessie decode the sneaky whispers and what they might really mean.

Meanwhile, two Aussie states have flipped the script on ADHD diagnosis and treatment. It's a massive shake-up — and it could change millions of lives.

Plus, a shove to the face — yes, an actual one — might be more than just a viral moment. We're breaking down the real story behind the Emmanuel Macron's French presidential push.

And if you're wondering what a textbook hard relaunch looks like, look no further than  J.Lo at the AMAs. It's a vibe and we're here for it.

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What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: Jessie's Crisis Of Ambition
• Listen: Kris Jenner Thinks You're a Grub
• Listen: Dream Jobs & Situationships: Can You Really Ever Have It All?
• Listen: What We've All Forgotten About Tom Cruise
• Listen: Is OnlyFans Cheating?
• Listen: A Bro-Podcast Storm & All The Fashion Week Beef

What to read: 

• Hugh Jackman and Deborra-Lee Furness' marriage ended 2 years ago. Now Deborra’s made a final decision.
• 'I was diagnosed with ADHD at 30. Here's what no one tells you about the grief.'
• 'I have two sons with autism and one with ADHD. I can now see all of the signs.'
• The moment the tide turned for Jennifer Lopez.
• Every single look from this year's AMAs red carpet.

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GET IN TOUCH:

Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message

Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.

Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

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Kamala Harris has touched down on Australian soil this week for a... real estate convention? Yes, really and we're just as confused as you are.

Plus, it's been a big weekend for the Kardashian family, with a hens party, a graduation, and the unveiling of a new face. We have thoughts.

'Girl Power' is dead, according to one former Spice Girl. The phrase defined a generation and the iconic girl group, but is it time to move on?

And finally, Labubus. The trinket craze is taking social media by storm, but why are so many of us suddenly obsessed with toys designed for toddlers? Answer: it probably has something to do with your childhood.

What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: Kris Jenner Thinks You're a Grub
• Listen: Dream Jobs & Situationships: Can You Really Ever Have It All?
• Listen: What We've All Forgotten About Tom Cruise
• Listen: Is OnlyFans Cheating?
• Listen: A Bro-Podcast Storm & All The Fashion Week Beef

What to read: 

• The undetectable era of surgery is here. Kris Jenner just proved it.
• Why grown adults are obsessed with toothy little monsters called Labubus.
• Everyone wants a Labubu, but the next viral plush toy has already been predicted.
• 'My friend wants me to pay $250 for her hen's lunch. I want to refuse.'
• In the 1990s, the Spice Girls were the biggest band in the world. Here's what their lives look like now.

GET IN TOUCH:

Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message

Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.

Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

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Kris Jenner can tell EXACTLY who you are based on the state of your personal space, and... let's just say that our cluttered desks and messy cars might not meet her standards.

Also, the sleepover is officially dead. But why? And what is lost by everyone staying in their own beds? 

Plus our recommendations, include a timely flashback, a unputdownable mystery and (literally) bleeding for a cause.

And our Best & Worsts of the week, including you beautiful Outlouders, routine fails and some VERY talented people.

What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: Dream Jobs & Situationships: Can You Really Ever Have It All?
• Listen: What We've All Forgotten About Tom Cruise
• Listen: Is OnlyFans Cheating?
• Listen: A Bro-Podcast Storm & All The Fashion Week Beef
• Listen: Celebrities Are Spruiking Their Boob Jobs. Everyone Cool With That?
• Listen: Divorce Gifts & Text-Snooping Partners: We Have Thoughts
• Listen: Um, Who Are You Calling A Narcissist?
• Listen: The Most Mocked Woman In The World

What to read: 

• The death of the sleepover.
• And Just Like That is coming back, and a controversial character is missing.
• There's a reason Samantha Jones is still your favourite SATC character.

Recommendations:

Em Vernem wants you to read The God Of The Woods by Liz Moore.

Jessie wants you to give blood. (No vampirism here).

Holly wants you to watch season 6 of Sex And The City.

GET IN TOUCH:

Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message

Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.

Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud

Credits

Hosts: Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens & Holly Wainwright

Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Video Producer: Josh Green

Junior Content Producers: Coco & Tessa

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.