This week, Erik talks to dating coach and former Stripe engineer Joyce Zhang and reveals her strategic dating frameworks and explains why people's standards are too low (not high). She introduces her controversial "hardball" filtering technique, and argues that dating apps work excellently with proper strategy—but self-love remains the biggest bottleneck.

Modern Relationships is a podcast from Turpentine. Learn more: www.turpentine.co

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LINKS:

Joyce Zhang Substack:
https://thejoycezhang.substack.com/

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FOLLOW ON X:

Joyce - @thejoycezhang

Erik - @eriktorenberg

Turpentine - @turpentinemedia

This week, Erik sits down with Joe Hudson and Tara Howley, the extraordinary couple behind Art of Accomplishment, whose coaching has helped CEOs like Sam Altman. They share their journey from a toxic relationship to a deeply connected partnership, offering personal stories, practical strategies, and insights on how self-growth, therapy, and commitment to transformation can foster resilient, loving relationships.

Modern Relationships is a podcast from Turpentine. Learn more: www.turpentine.co

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LINK/S:

Art of Accomplishment: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/
Joe and Esme — The Teenage Years: https://youtu.be/Eg70lbiElrI?si=bK-8FB-bzYh6HqL1

How to Be a Parent (Without Messing Everything Up) | Joe Hudson and Nathan Baschez: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/podcast/how-to-be-a-parent-without-messing-everything-up-joe-hudson-and-nathan-baschez

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FOLLOW ON X:

Joe - @FU_joehudson

Erik - @eriktorenberg

Turpentine - @turpentinemedia

In this episode, Erik sits down with Harley Finkelstein and Lindsay Taub, partners of 15 years. Harley, Shopify's president, and Lindsay, a psychotherapist and entrepreneur, discuss their speed dating origin story, balancing radical acceptance with growth, and redefining work-life balance while raising two daughters together when your job is all-consuming.

Modern Relationships is a podcast from Turpentine. Learn more: www.turpentine.co

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Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/ph

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Harley - @harleyf

Erik - @eriktorenberg

Turpentine - @turpentinemedia

Today on Modern Relationships Erik Torenberg is joined by Jared Fliesler, a former executive at Google, Square, and Scribd turned founder coach, discusses how to identify core values in partners, distinguish between compromise and "horse trading," and determine when someone is "good enough." He shares insights on building meaningful connections, his co-living experiments, and navigating long-distance relationships.

Modern Relationships is a podcast from Turpentine. Learn more: www.turpentine.co

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LINKS | BOOKS RECOMMENDED:

The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership by Jim Dethmer, Diana Champan, etc: https://conscious.is/15-commitments

Book: https://www.amazon.com/15-Commitments-Conscious-Leadership-Sustainable-ebook/dp/B00R3MHWUE

Positive Intelligence by Shirzad Chamine: https://www.amazon.com/Positive-Intelligence-Individuals-Achieve-Potential/dp/1608322785

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FOLLOW ON X:

Jared -@JaredSF

Erik - @eriktorenberg

Turpentine - @turpentinemedia

Today on Modern Relationships Erik Torenberg talks to Ann Pierce, a former startup founder who became obsessed with the mission of solving interpersonal conflict. Ann unpacks why conflict isn't inherently negative but actually builds trust when handled correctly. She covers why invalidation is the most common threat most of us encounter, how we misunderstand each other through projection, and how to break the cycles of conflict.

Modern Relationships is a podcast from Turpentine. Learn more: www.turpentine.co

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LINKS:

Ann Pierce Website: https://www.annpierce.com/

Ann Pierce - Understanding Interpersonal Conflict: https://substack.com/home/post/p-153042013?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Love Symposium: https://symposium.love/

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FOLLOW ON X:

Ann - @itsannpierce

Erik - @eriktorenberg

Turpentine - @turpentinemedia

Dating coach and matchmaking expert Blaine Anderson discusses the psychology behind successful dating for men in today's complex landscape. The conversation explores why instant "sparks" are often misleading indicators of relationship potential, with Anderson revealing how chemistry can develop over time rather than appearing at first sight. She explains why many men find themselves trapped in the friendzone and offers counterintuitive strategies for escaping it—including the critical step of genuinely moving on.

Modern Relationships is a podcast from Turpentine. Learn more: www.turpentine.co

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LINKS:

Dating by Blaine: https://clients.datingbyblaine.com/hi

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FOLLOW ON X:

Blaine - @datingbyblaine

Erik - @eriktorenberg

Turpentine - @turpentinemedia

Best-selling author, Air Force veteran, and psychologist Rob K. Henderson joins Erik Torenberg to explore the complex dynamics and evolutionary psychology in modern dating.

The conversation examines how evolutionary psychology explains attraction patterns, particularly women's occasional interest in men with dark triad personality traits. Henderson unpacks the phenomenon through the lens of the Luigi Mangione case, discussing how violence and aggression can paradoxically enhance male appeal due to evolutionary adaptations.

They explore dark triad attraction, pickup artist culture, partner selection research, and practical advice for men navigating relationships in the age of dating apps and challenging social dynamics.

Modern Relationships is a podcast from Turpentine. Learn more: www.turpentine.co

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LINKS:

Rob’s Newsletter: https://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Rob-Henderson/177690581

Rob’s Best-selling book Troubled: A Memoir of Foster Care, Family, and Social Class:

https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Troubled/Rob-Henderson/9781982168544

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FOLLOW ON X:

Rob - @robkhenderson

Erik - @eriktorenberg

Turpentine - @turpentinemedia

Carl Narcisse, a partner on the talent team at Andreessen Horowitz, and Whitnie Narcisse, formerly an operating partner at First Round Capital who just launched a matchmaking company, talk to Erik Torenberg about their relationship.

The couple discuss their decade-long marriage that began at a baseball game, balancing tech careers with raising three children, and applying "people ops" principles to their partnership—like maintaining a #relationshipgoals spreadsheet to track their goals. They share insights on navigating cultural differences, dating 360s, and why relationships require both spiritual alignment and a growth mindset.

Modern Relationships is a podcast from Turpentine. Learn more: www.turpentine.co

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LINKS:

Whitnie’s website: Whitnie.com

a16z.com: https://a16z.com/

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FOLLOW ON X:

Carl - @cnarcisse

Whitnie - @WhitnieLow

Erik - @eriktorenberg

Turpentine - @turpentinemedia

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(01:34) How Whitnie and Carl Met

(03:49) Their Dating Journeys Before Meeting

(07:22) Recognizing the Right Partner

(09:57) Early Relationship Challenges

(14:00) Cultural Differences

(15:50) Sponsor: Relationship Hero

(17:25) Handling Temperament Differences

(19:00) Balancing Energy Levels

(21:28) Wanting a Partner Who Leads

(23:40) Whitnie’s Evolution from Avoidant to Secure

(27:09) Applying People Ops to Marriage

(31:47) Building a Support System

(33:52) Relationship Goals and Communication

(38:26) Whitnie’s Dating Concierge Business

(44:23) The Value of 360 Reviews in Dating

(47:04) Finding the Right Partner vs. The "Perfect" Match

(53:34) Dating Process Advice

(56:04) Marriage and Commitment

(1:00:18) Navigating Challenges in Marriage

(1:02:09) Parallels Between Recruiting and Matchmaking

(1:04:30) Wrap

OpenAI Chief Product Officer Kevin Weil and Scribble Ventures' Founder & Partner Elizabeth Weil share how they've navigated demanding tech careers over 20 years while raising three children—from their whirlwind marathon meetup to building parallel paths in Silicon Valley.

They discuss how they've navigated their career decisions while raising three children, why they believe in letting kids develop natural resilience, and their theory that "life's too short not to be with someone who brings out all the good things."

Modern Relationships is a podcast from Turpentine. Learn more: www.turpentine.co

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LINKS:

Scribble Ventures: https://www.scribble.vc/

OpenAI: https://openai.com/

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FOLLOW ON X:

Kevin - @kevinweil

Elizabeth - @elizabeth

Erik - @eriktorenberg

Turpentine - @turpentinemedia

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Preview and Intro

(02:04) Meeting Story: Marathon Connection

(05:33) Moving Fast: From Dating to Engagement

(08:02) Partner Expectations: Finding Each Other

(10:38) Life's Too Short: Relationship Philosophy

(11:38) Relationship Chapters: Pre and Post Kids

(13:00) Career and Motherhood Balance

(16:31) Sponsor: Relationship Hero

(18:05) Elizabeth's Work Philosophy

(21:00) Kevin's Career Journey

(23:15) Growing Up Together in Tech

(26:21) Division of Labor & Parenting

(30:37) Delegation and Help at Home

(34:53) Parenting Philosophy: Raising Grounded Kids

(37:25) Safety vs. Independence

(40:05) Approach to Academic Achievement

(42:38) Education in an AI World

(46:09) Core Values for Children

(48:47) Maintaining Marriage After Kids

(50:55) Couples They Admire

(53:05) Balancing Everything: Lowering the Bar

(54:45) Final Thoughts: In It Together

(56:14) Wrap

Curious Humans podcast host Jonny Miller and creative coach Kelly Wilde Miller sit down with Erik Torenberg and share their framework for "shortening the half-life of reactivity" of conflicts, their sacred Sunday check-in practice, and why they view marriage as "an arena for surfacing our own stuff."

Modern Relationships is a podcast from Turpentine. Learn more: www.turpentine.co

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RECOMMENDED IN THIS EPISODE:

FOLLOW ON X:

Jonny - @jonnym1ller

Kelly - @kellycwilde

Erik - @eriktorenberg

Turpentine - @turpentinemedia

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TIMESTAMPS:

(01:07) Intro

(01:50) Finding Your Partner

(04:24) Transitioning from Friendship to Relationship

(07:06) Engagement Story

(14:13) Working Through Relationship Challenges

(18:36) Sponsor: Relationship Hero

(20:11) Marriage as an Arena for Growth

(26:22) Conflict Resolution Techniques

(30:49) Communication Frameworks

(45:18) Nervous System Regulation

(52:44) Sunday Partnership Check-ins

(1:00:15) Children and Community

(1:07:30) Thoughts on Polyamory

(1:10:05) Final Reflections

(1:14:00) Closing