Mom and Mind

By Katayune Kaeni, Psy.D., PMH-C

Posptartum Depression is real. And it's only part of the story. We dig in to ALL of the stuff that no one tells you about, but you NEED to know. Dr. Kat, Psychologist and specialist in perinatal menta... more

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April 28, 2025412: From Postpartum Depression to Creating Connections for Moms with Allison Kushner, founder of BeeKyn
It’s always uplifting to hear how some people are inspired to turn the worst experience into something positive to help others. Join us to hear Alli’s story of postpartum depression, healing, and a remarkable avenue of support and connection for other moms.
Alli Kushner is an entrepreneur, community builder, and passionate advocate for parents navigating the complexities of modern life. As the founder of⁠ BeeKyn⁠, an innovative platform that reimagines how families connect through meaningful playdates, Alli is on a mission to make parenthood less isolating and more fulfilling. Alli is the mother of two young girls and shares her deeply personal journey through postpartum depression. The challenges she faced became the opportunity to create a supportive space for parents everywhere in BeeKyn.
Show Highlights:
Alli’s story: what she expected vs. her reality in becoming a mom

An unexpected identity crisis

Pregnancy problems that threw “the plan” out the window for Alli’s first pregnancy

Knowing things weren’t “right”

Alli’s recognition of “baby blues” (which later turned into PPD)

The gap in Ob-gyn and pediatric care when a healthy baby arrives, but mom is not okay

Alli’s experience in returning to work earlier than necessary, because that was the world she understood and could control

Feeling numb, angry, and unsure about motherhood, just wanting to get away (for the first six months)

Feeling like “everyone would be better off without me”

How Alli’s husband insisted that she get professional help because he didn’t know how to help her

Alli’s “Aha moment” on an outing in NYC, realizing that this is “not normal”

How Alli noticed the slow unfolding of improvement as the result of a daily therapy/rehab program

Sharing her story helped Alli realize the need for more attention on postpartum depression and the feelings of isolation and loneliness

The benefits of BeeKyn’s platform for families
Resources:
Connect with Alli Kushner and BeeKyn:⁠ Website⁠ and⁠ LinkedIn⁠
Call the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline at 1-833-TLC-MAMA or visit⁠ cdph.ca.gov⁠
Please find resources in English and Spanish at⁠ Postpartum Support International⁠, or by phone/text at 1-800-944-4773. There are many free resources, like online support groups, peer mentors, a specialist provider directory, and perinatal mental health training for therapists, physicians, nurses, doulas, and anyone who wants to be more supportive in offering services.
You can also follow PSI on social media:⁠ Instagram⁠,⁠ Facebook⁠, and most other platforms
Visit⁠ www.postpartum.net/professionals/certificate-trainings/⁠ for information on the grief course.
Visit my website,⁠ www.wellmindperinatal.com⁠, for more information, resources, and courses you can take today!
If you are a California resident looking for a therapist in perinatal mental health, email me⁠ about openings for private pay clients!

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April 21, 2025411: “NORMALIZE IT: Upending the Silence, Stigma, and Shame That Shape Women’s Lives”
It’s no secret that silence, stigma, and shame surround many of the major moments of grief and loss in women’s lives, especially during pregnancy loss. Today’s guest shares her personal story, along with her professional perspective as a psychologist, author, and respected voice in social media. Join us to hear the conversation.

Dr. Jessica Zucker is a Los Angeles-based psychologist specializing in reproductive health, and she holds advanced degrees from NYU and Harvard. She’s the author of the award-winning book, I Had A Miscarriage: A Memoir, A Movement and is the creator of the viral hashtag, I Had A Miscarriage Campaign. She has been featured on NPR, CNN, the Today Show, and Good Morning America, and her writing has appeared in the NY Times, Washington Post, NY Magazine, Vogue, Harvard Business Review, and others. Today’s conversation focuses on Jessica’s second book, Normalize It: Upending the Silence, Stigma, and Shame That Shape Women’s Lives, newly released on April 22, 2025. Jessica shares her personal experience through miscarriage and a breast cancer diagnosis, and how her motherhood journey has been profoundly impacted by silence, stigma, and shame.

Show Highlights:
Jessica’s inspiration to write her most recent book, Normalize It
Jessica’s traumatic miscarriage experience that changed the course of her life
The purpose behind Normalize It, which offers a compassionate invitation to women
Our culture teaches women to have silence, stigma, and shame.
If we ALL spoke our truth . . .(just imagine the possibilities!)
Common platitudes minimize our pain and can alienate and isolate those who are hurting.
Jessica’s breast cancer experience compared to her miscarriage experience
Why Jessica doesn’t like the term “warrior” when referring to her resilience
Living with tamoxifen, which blocks estrogen and brings early menopause symptoms
What the research reveals around silence, stigma, and shame

Resources:

Connect with Dr. Jessica Zucker: Website, Instagram, Normalize It: Upending the Silence, Stigma, and Shame That Shape Women’s Lives, and I Had A Miscarriage

Call the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline at 1-833-TLC-MAMA or visit cdph.ca.gov

Please find resources in English and Spanish at Postpartum Support International, or by phone/text at 1-800-944-4773. There are many free resources, like online support groups, peer mentors, a specialist provider directory, and perinatal mental health training for therapists, physicians, nurses, doulas, and anyone who wants to be more supportive in offering services.

You can also follow PSI on social media: Instagram, Facebook, and most other platforms

Visit www.postpartum.net/professionals/certificate-trainings/ for information on the grief course.

Visit my website, www.wellmindperinatal.com, for more information, resources, and courses you can take today!

If you are a California resident looking for a therapist in perinatal mental health, email me about openings for private pay clients!

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April 17, 2025ENCORE: Good Moms Have Scary Thoughts with Karen Kleiman, MSW, LCSW
Instead of a normal Behind the Sessions episode today, I’m featuring a great interview with Karen Kleiman from a previous show as we approach May, Maternal Mental Health Month. Maternal mental health needs a massive spotlight on it because it’s gone under-recognized and undersupported for far too long.

Karen Kleiman is a well-known international maternal mental health expert with over 35 years of experience. She is an advocate and the author of several groundbreaking books on postpartum depression and anxiety. Her work has been featured in multiple media outlets, including local and national TV, magazines, radio shows, and health websites. Karen founded The Postpartum Stress Center in 1988 and The Karen Kleiman Training Center in 2022. Their work is dedicated to the advancement of clinical expertise and therapeutic strategies for the treatment of perinatal mood and anxiety disorders. Her advanced trainings are heavily influenced by The Art of Holding Perinatal Women in Distress™ model of intervention, created by Karen. She’s here to discuss intrusive thoughts and how to determine when intervention is necessary. Join us to learn more!

Show Highlights:
Karen’s passion for writing, which is still there after 14 books!
Karen’s purpose in being a compassionate voice to others through her books
So many women are still suffering without the support they need and deserve!
The harsh reality of the pandemic’s effects on new moms
The wide range of scary thoughts: “What’s normal and what’s not?”
The truth: Not all moms feel good about motherhood.
“How do I know my scary thoughts are TOO scary?” (How to measure a mom’s distress)
Fact: Not all intrusive thoughts are OCD-related.
The biggest problem: Moms aren’t telling us how bad they feel.
Karen’s book, What About Us?, and its guidance on navigating relationships, which ends up being primarily the woman’s responsibility
Karen’s best advice for new moms

Resources:

Connect with Karen Kleiman and The Postpartum Stress Center: Website, Facebook, Instagram, What About Us?, and Good Moms Have Scary Thoughts

Call the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline at 1-833-TLC-MAMA or visit cdph.ca.gov

Please find resources in English and Spanish at Postpartum Support International, or by phone/text at 1-800-944-4773. There are many free resources, like online support groups, peer mentors, a specialist provider directory, and perinatal mental health training for therapists, physicians, nurses, doulas, and anyone who wants to be more supportive in offering services.

You can also follow PSI on social media: Instagram, Facebook, and most other platforms

Visit www.postpartum.net/professionals/certificate-trainings/ for information on the grief course.

Visit my website, www.wellmindperinatal.com, for more information, resources, and courses you can take today!

If you are a California resident looking for a therapist in perinatal mental health, email me about openings for private pay clients!

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47min
April 14, 2025409: “A Light After Nine” A Story of Losses, Resilience, and Empowering Mothers
I’m welcoming Rachell Dumas to the show today. She is a maternal health advocate, registered nurse, and the founder of A Light After Nine, a nonprofit dedicated to supporting families navigating infertility, pregnancy loss, and maternal trauma. Drawing from her own experience with nine pregnancy losses and systemic disparities in maternal healthcare, Rachell uses her voice to advocate for trauma-informed, equitable care. Through her nonprofit, she provides emotional support, resources, and education to empower families and drive systemic change in maternal health practices. In this episode, Rachell shares her journey to motherhood, how she found the strength to keep going, and what it was like to finally have a baby after so many losses. She shares her best advice for others experiencing multiple losses and addresses the failures of the US healthcare system, especially in treating black women.

Show Highlights:
Rachell’s pregnancy story, beginning in 2018 with a miscarriage followed by continued multiple losses, cervical insufficiency, and visits to a reproductive endocrinologist and maternal-fetal medicine doctor
Rachell’s experience in being told that her cerclage failed and the only option is to deliver her baby, who would most certainly die
Finding motherhood success in 2022, when her son was born weighing almost 5 pounds
The heavy emotional journey of diagnoses, repeated procedures, and multiple doctors during her experience with 8 miscarriages and a stillbirth
Finding success through hypnotherapy
The need for more education about maternal health specialists and what they do
Being a black woman in the US medical system
“Educate yourself so you can advocate better!”
Rachell’s first days of motherhood: caring for her baby but not allowing herself to bond fully with him
Rachell’s passion about creating A Light After Nine to offer education, resources, and support for others

Resources:

Connect with Rachell Dumas and A Light After Nine: Website, YouTube Channel, LinkedIn, TikTok, and Instagram

Call the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline at 1-833-TLC-MAMA or visit cdph.ca.gov

Please find resources in English and Spanish at Postpartum Support International, or by phone/text at 1-800-944-4773. There are many free resources, like online support groups, peer mentors, a specialist provider directory, and perinatal mental health training for therapists, physicians, nurses, doulas, and anyone who wants to be more supportive in offering services.

You can also follow PSI on social media: Instagram, Facebook, and most other platforms

Visit www.postpartum.net/professionals/certificate-trainings/ for information on the grief course.

Visit my website, www.wellmindperinatal.com, for more information, resources, and courses you can take today!

If you are a California resident looking for a therapist in perinatal mental health, email me about openings for private pay clients!

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43min
April 07, 2025408: Held Together: A Shared Memoir of Motherhood, Medicine, and Imperfect Love with Dr. Rebecca Thompson, MD
One of the primary reasons for this podcast’s existence is that sharing stories and experiences is a powerful means of healing and partnership. Today’s guest has created a beautiful book that embodies the spirit of collaboration and community in healing and moving forward. Join us to learn more!

Dr. Rebecca Thompson is a family medicine and public health physician in Portland, Oregon. She specializes in women’s and children’s health and is the author of Held Together: A Shared Memoir of Motherhood, Medicine, and Imperfect Love. Dr. Rebecca shares how her medical practice and perspective on parenthood were shaped by the complicated pregnancies and losses she experienced while training to become a doctor. Those experiences led her to collaborate with patients, friends, and medical colleagues in sharing their stories of the many ways that creating and sustaining families can take unexpected turns.

Show Highlights:
Sharing your truth openly encourages others to tell their stories.
Dr. Rebecca’s efforts to work collaboratively to craft the most compelling version of others’ experiences
Dr. Rebecca’s goal in conveying the “bigger themes” in people’s stories
There is magic in learning new things about yourself through reading and hearing stories from others.
Relating to others on a very human level is powerful.
Imposter syndrome and its antidote
The word “clinician” implies a partnership beyond the word “provider.”
Telling your story can be more healing each time you share it.
Common themes and messages that emerged from Dr. Rebecca’s collaborative writing experience

Resources:

Connect with Dr. Rebecca Thompson: Website and Held Together: A Shared Memoir of Motherhood, Medicine, and Imperfect Love

Call the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline at 1-833-TLC-MAMA or visit cdph.ca.gov

Please find resources in English and Spanish at Postpartum Support International, or by phone/text at 1-800-944-4773. There are many free resources, like online support groups, peer mentors, a specialist provider directory, and perinatal mental health training for therapists, physicians, nurses, doulas, and anyone who wants to be more supportive in offering services.

You can also follow PSI on social media: Instagram, Facebook, and most other platforms

Visit www.postpartum.net/professionals/certificate-trainings/ for information on the grief course.

Visit my website, www.wellmindperinatal.com, for more information, resources, and courses you can take today!

If you are a California resident looking for a therapist in perinatal mental health, email me about openings for private pay clients!

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44min
April 03, 2025407: Behind the Sessions: Recognizing Perinatal Mental Health Symptoms in Yourself
We are covering an important topic today because many people don’t realize that they are dealing with a perinatal mental health condition. They might even think their experience is “normal.” There is not enough information and awareness around what to look for and what to do about your symptoms. We simply aren’t taught how to recognize common symptoms and signs that we need help. My goal in this episode is to give context to perinatal mental health conditions and increase awareness while decreasing any shame and stigma. Join me to learn more!

Show Highlights:
Stigma and shame are silencing.
Misconceptions about the “baby blues” (NOT the same as postpartum depression!)
Common symptoms of postpartum depression
Watch out for rage.
Handling anxiety and excessive worry that are overwhelming and out of control
Intrusive thoughts happen to many people, but the stakes are higher when you have a new baby.
A mental health condition can look like ANY of us.
Understanding postpartum OCD and its characteristics
Common symptoms of PTSD
Understanding the signs and symptoms of bipolar disorder
Postpartum psychosis: a condition that cannot be minimized or dismissed because of the seriousness of paranoia, delusions, erratic behavior, and disorientation
Tips to follow if you recognize any of these symptoms of perinatal mental health symptoms:
Acknowledge the symptoms.
Don’t blame yourself.
Talk through your feelings with a trusted someone.
Take the next steps to take care of your basic needs and self-care practices.
Seek professional help.
The good news: “ALL of these perinatal mental health conditions are treatable. You CAN get better!”

Resources:

Call the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline at 1-833-TLC-MAMA or visit cdph.ca.gov

Please find resources in English and Spanish at Postpartum Support International, or by phone/text at 1-800-944-4773. There are many free resources, like online support groups, peer mentors, a specialist provider directory, and perinatal mental health training for therapists, physicians, nurses, doulas, and anyone who wants to be more supportive in offering services.

You can also follow PSI on social media: Instagram, Facebook, and most other platforms.

Visit www.postpartum.net/professionals/certificate-trainings/ for information on the grief course.

Visit my website, www.wellmindperinatal.com, for more information, resources, and courses you can take today!

If you are a California resident looking for a therapist in perinatal mental health, email me about openings for private pay clients!

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48min
March 31, 2025406: Mothers Share Impacts of Hysterectomy and Childbirth Trauma
Today’s show is unique in that we have four guests sharing their stories of losing a uterus to survive childbirth, and the chaos left behind after this traumatic event. These four women have connected over the struggle to rebuild their lives, the constant dismissal from healthcare professionals, and finding that the one missing ingredient to get back to a normal life isn’t normalized in today’s medical society. (Hint: Hormone Replacement Therapy)

In sharing their journeys, they give insight into this experience and why this scenario isn’t discussed and supported in our society. They share the deep grief and trauma they have experienced over the fact that losing your uterus has far-reaching ramifications beyond just “losing an organ.” Join us to hear from Katie, Greta, Kelsey, and Brittany!

Show Highlights:
The story of their connection through a Facebook group
Snapshots from the four women: when they found out they would lose their uterus through a life-saving hysterectomy
Moving on with a new baby after a traumatizing delivery and near-death experience
Learning to rely on others for help and support
Feeling dismissed by healthcare professionals
Physical and emotional issues from hormone disruptions
Facing life-altering changes and significant trauma with support through therapy, medications, and hormone replacement
What the women want others to know about their stories

Resources:

Connect with Hysterectomy Hormone Helpers: Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok

Call the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline at 1-833-TLC-MAMA or visit cdph.ca.gov

Please find resources in English and Spanish at Postpartum Support International, or by phone/text at 1-800-944-4773. There are many free resources, like online support groups, peer mentors, a specialist provider directory, and perinatal mental health training for therapists, physicians, nurses, doulas, and anyone who wants to be more supportive in offering services.

You can also follow PSI on social media: Instagram, Facebook, and most other platforms

Visit www.postpartum.net/professionals/certificate-trainings/ for information on the grief course.

Visit my website, www.wellmindperinatal.com, for more information, resources, and courses you can take today!

If you are a California resident looking for a therapist in perinatal mental health, email me about openings for private pay clients!

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43min
March 24, 2025405: Mavida: A Whole-Person Approach to Maternal Mental Health Care with Dr. Sarah Oreck
I’m joined by Dr. Sarah Oreck to talk about Mavida Health, a unique platform combining clinical care and online emotional support and community for maternal and paternal mental health care. We can only hope that their style of specialized support and wide range of reproductive mental health services will eventually be replicated in more places across the US. You’ll learn what Mavida Health is doing to fill the gaps with accessible mental health care for families in need. Join us to hear more from Dr. Oreck.

Dr. Sarah Oreck is a Columbia University-trained psychiatrist with a fellowship in reproductive psychiatry. She is the co-founder and CEO of Mavida Health. Driven by a deep frustration with the shortcomings in maternal mental health care, Dr. Oreck envisioned Mavida as a platform to revolutionize access to high-quality mental health services along the path to parenthood. As a practicing therapist and prescriber, she combines cutting-edge medical treatments with a holistic, whole-body approach to mental health. She is the proud daughter of South American immigrants and grew up between Los Angeles and Colombia. She currently resides in Los Angeles with her husband and three children.

Show Highlights:
An overview of Mavida Health and their highly specialized services (In clinics in CA, NY, and NJ and via their app nationwide)
A virtual platform makes sessions more accessible and convenient, especially for those in more rural areas.
The importance of peer support and community
The most common topics and questions from Mavida patients
It’s a scary time to be a parent!
Mavida’s support for people in the LA area impacted by recent wildfires, current politics, and other anxieties
Real-world implications for parents and those who wish to become parents
The meaning behind the name “Mavida”

Resources:

Connect with Dr. Sarah Oreck and Mavida Health: Website, Dr. Oreck's Instagram, and Mavida Health's Instagram

Call the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline at 1-833-TLC-MAMA or visit cdph.ca.gov

Please find resources in English and Spanish at Postpartum Support International, or by phone/text at 1-800-944-4773. There are many free resources, like online support groups, peer mentors, a specialist provider directory, and perinatal mental health training for therapists, physicians, nurses, doulas, and anyone who wants to be more supportive in offering services.

You can also follow PSI on social media: Instagram, Facebook, and most other platforms

Visit www.postpartum.net/professionals/certificate-trainings/ for information on the grief course.

Visit my website, www.wellmindperinatal.com, for more information, resources, and courses you can take today!

If you are a California resident looking for a therapist in perinatal mental health, email me about openings for private pay clients!

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47min
March 20, 2025404: Behind the Sessions: Intimacy Challenges When Trying to Conceive
Many couples struggle to maintain intimacy and connection while trying to conceive, especially when conception takes a long time. My focus in today’s episode is on things outside the scope of an IVF journey, like timed and scheduled intercourse. This journey to parenthood can impact your mental health and the connection with your partner. Intimacy may no longer be spontaneous and fun, feeling like a scheduled task on your to-do list. Let’s explore this topic together!

Show Highlights:
Sex can start to feel like a chore, duty, and obligation.
Mourning the loss of what you “thought” conception would be like
The emotional roller coaster of trying to conceive can create emotional distance between partners.
Pressure, stress, anxiety, and worry can lead to feelings of resentment between partners.
Managing medical conditions can be an added burden and cause feelings of guilt.
Ways to find help and support:
Seek couples’ therapy.
Create a space for open communication.
Prioritize intimacy, closeness, and connection over trying to conceive.
Maintain playfulness and find spontaneous ways to be connected.

Resources:
Call the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline at 1-833-TLC-MAMA or visit cdph.ca.gov
Please find resources in English and Spanish at Postpartum Support International, or by phone/text at 1-800-944-4773. There are many free resources, like online support groups, peer mentors, a specialist provider directory, and perinatal mental health training for therapists, physicians, nurses, doulas, and anyone who wants to be more supportive in offering services.
You can also follow PSI on social media: Instagram, Facebook, and most other platforms
Visit www.postpartum.net/professionals/certificate-trainings/ for information on the grief course.
Visit my website, www.wellmindperinatal.com, for more information, resources, and courses you can take today!
If you are a California resident looking for a therapist in perinatal mental health, email me about openings for private pay clients!

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32min
March 17, 2025403: Healing Journeys: Understanding EMDR and Trauma Recovery with Dr. Pria Alpern, Ph.D.
Today’s episode focuses on EMDR for the treatment of birth trauma and reproductive trauma. You’ll learn what EMDR is and how this therapy technique can support families through trauma recovery.
Dr. Pria Alpern is a licensed clinical psychologist, EMDRIA-approved therapist, and EMDRIA-approved consultant. She is the founder of the Manhattan Center of Trauma Studies and the director of the Center Psychology Group in NYC, a psychotherapy practice specializing in treating trauma in the adult and perinatal populations. Outside her clinical practice, she creates mental health content, provides education, and raises awareness about EMDR and trauma-informed psychotherapy on social media platforms. She’s been featured in numerous news outlets and is here to share her wisdom and experience with us.

Show Highlights:
Understanding the scope of reproductive trauma
The philosophy behind EMDR, a therapy approach to unprocessed memories and negative beliefs
Examples of traumas during pregnancy
Trauma can manifest itself in PTSD and PMADs, both of which can be addressed by EMDR
Understanding EMDR and the phases of its therapeutic use to process trauma
What Dr. Alpern sees most in her clinical practice regarding birth trauma
Similarities between reactions to birth trauma and sexual assault
Flexibility within the EMDR protocol
Finding “the window of tolerance” so someone can be present in the moment
Therapy, support, community, and emotional support from family can work together to bring healing.
Using the structure of a tree as a metaphor for the depth and variance of EMDR therapy
Dr. Alpern’s wide range of work in training other therapists, with highlights on EMDR for racial and cultural oppression
Race, identity, and positionality cannot be ignored in the therapeutic relationship.
Dr. Alpern’s perspective on trauma: “For anyone who has experienced trauma, it can be very helpful to talk to someone. Please reach out for help.”

Resources:
Connect with Dr. Pria Alpern
Website, Instagram, and TikTok
Find EMDR resources at EMDRIA.org.
Call the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline at 1-833-TLC-MAMA or visit cdph.ca.gov
Please find resources in English and Spanish at Postpartum Support International, or by phone/text at 1-800-944-4773. There are many free resources, like online support groups, peer mentors, a specialist provider directory, and perinatal mental health training for therapists, physicians, nurses, doulas, and anyone who wants to be more supportive in offering services.
You can also follow PSI on social media: Instagram, Facebook, and most other platforms
Visit www.postpartum.net/professionals/certificate-trainings/ for information on the grief course.
Visit my website, www.wellmindperinatal.com, for more information, resources, and courses you can take today!
If you are a California resident looking for a therapist in perinatal mental health, email me about openings for private pay clients!

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