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Nathan Walz spent over 20 years in corporate America, ate organic, worked out, and still spent a decade being told by doctors that his labs were “normal.” Eventually diagnosed with Lyme disease, Babesia, Bartonella, Candida, mercury toxicity, and hormonal deficiency, he went through conventional medicine, functional medicine, and a $1,200 bag of supplements — and kept getting worse.

What turned the tide wasn’t another protocol. It was light.

In this episode, Nathan joins Meredith to talk about how rebuilding his relationship with the sun and his circadian rhythm changed everything — and why, at 54, he looks and feels better than he did in his 30s. They cover the photoelectric effect and what Einstein’s Nobel Prize actually means for your mitochondria, why the sun doesn’t age you (it reverse ages you), how LED lighting disrupts sleep and cellular repair, and what’s really happening in your body when you’re exhausted but can’t fall asleep.

They also go deeper: the client with ulcerative colitis who healed something from 1986, the role of trauma as stored energy in chronic illness, and why Nathan’s ultimate goal with every client is not to fix their diagnosis — but to help them remember who they are.

This is a founding episode of The Reverse Aging Club with Meredith Oke — and Nathan was one of the very first guests on the original Quantum Biology Collective podcast. A full-circle conversation worth every minute.

Timestamps

• 00:00 Does Sunscreen Block Sunlight Benefits?
• 00:26 Podcast Relaunch Intro
• 02:50 The Beginning of Health Decline
• 06:01 Integrative Lyme Disease Diagnosis
• 08:45 When Antibiotics Make Things Worse
• 11:35 EMFs and the Sleep Wake-Up Call
• 13:33 Discovering Jack Kruse
• 14:13 Circadian Habits and Recovery
• 17:23 Why Mitochondria Matter
• 20:06 Sunlight and the Photoelectric Effect
• 22:46 The Indoor Light Trap
• 24:32 Fluorescent Lighting and Mercury Risks
• 25:22 Blue Light and Inflammation
• 26:18 How Light Disrupts Sleep Hormones
• 27:18 Light as the First Health Foundation
• 28:40 Relearning Healthy Sun Exposure
• 29:45 Healing and Spiritual Growth
• 34:50 Remembering Who You Are
• 37:50 Learning to Think Like Feynman
• 41:39 Detective-Style Coaching
• 44:34 Trauma and Repeating Patterns
• 48:30 Freedom, Healing, and Evolution
• 50:59 Can Sunlight Reverse Aging?
• 53:35 Circadian Clocks Explained
• 57:17 Wrap-Up and Resources

Connect with Nathan Walz

Website: nathanwalz.com

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanwalz/

Instagram: @journeytooptimalhealth

Nathan’s show — Quantum Biology Revolution: Search “Quantum Biology Revolution” on Rumble

Resources Mentioned

1. Nathan Walz — Health Coaching & Booking

nathanwalz.com

2. Nathan Walz on LinkedIn

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3. Nathan’s Show: Quantum Biology Revolution (Rumble)

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4. IAQB Applied Quantum Biology Certification Program

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5. Quantum Biology Collective on Substack

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MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT: The Institute of Applied Quantum Biology is launching the Journal of Applied Quantum Biology — a free, open-source, peer-reviewed journal dedicated to the translational middle ground between quantum biology research and real-world human health application. We are crowdfunding the launch and need your support. Donations start at $25 — and if you want to discuss a legacy gift, reach out directly. Every dollar builds the infrastructure that makes this work matter beyond our community: IAQB.foundation For legacy and large philanthropic gifts: [email protected]

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“It’s a very analogous system—the way that light interacts with the nebula, I think, is the way that the light is interacting with our bodies and with the biosphere in general,” says Robert Fosbury, astrophysicist who worked for 30 years for the European Space Agency and the Hubble Space Telescope. As the silos between scientific camps continue to crumble, Robert finds himself part of a multidisciplinary team who is exploring the way that light interacts with all aspects of life. Today, he joins the Quantum Biology Collective podcast to discuss the link between astrophysics and the world of astronomy, and the world of light, bio photons, infrared light and quantum biology.

It is Robert’s belief that life is the biosphere and extremely intertwined with all the systems of the planet. He explains how different types of light enter and interact with the body, and why infrared light is so vital to the reproductive process of so many living things.

Join today’s discussion to hear Robert reveal the profession which has been surprisingly receptive to new findings on infrared light and its benefits to public health and which has been more reticent. He’ll also share the optimal location to sit to improve one’s health.

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What would it take for a non-invasive, evidence-backed healing modality to become standard of care — when the evidence already exists, the mechanisms are understood, and the patients are benefiting? That's the question at the heart of this conversation with Dr. Praveen Arany, one of the world's leading researchers in photobiomodulation.

Dr. Arany started as a dentist looking for ways to help patients heal faster after oral surgery. A paper about light-accelerated wound healing caught his attention. He was skeptical. He's spent the 27 years since proving it works. He now holds six patents, has published over 150 peer-reviewed papers with more than 11,000 citations, and his lab at the University at Buffalo discovered one of the core mechanisms by which therapeutic light stimulates wound healing — a light-sensitive amino acid in the growth factor TGF-beta.

In this episode, we talk about how light interacts with the body at the cellular level, the three established mechanisms of photobiomodulation, why there's a meaningful distinction between light as a supplement and light as a clinical intervention, and why 35 randomized controlled trials haven't been enough to get this treatment into cancer wards. We also get into practice-based research networks, the case for a rigorous quantum biology journal, and what Dr. Arany thinks the next generation of practitioners and researchers needs most.

Recorded on the International Day of Light. That felt right.

Timestamps

• 00:00 Light as Medicine
• 00:27 Meet Dr. Praveen Arany
• 05:54 Why Light Healing Matters
• 09:22 How Photobiomodulation Works
• 12:25 Wellness vs Therapy Dosing
• 17:37 Red Light Therapy Goes Mainstream
• 20:41 Regulation, Innovation, and Health Claims
• 23:55 Education in the AI Era
• 35:52 Publishing Barriers in PBM Research
• 41:17 Why Doctors Often Miss the Science
• 42:48 The Clinical Evidence for PBM
• 43:48 Research Rejection and Funding Challenges
• 46:21 Quantum Biology Breakthroughs
• 51:14 Why Patients Want More Options
• 52:29 Barriers to Care in Universities
• 54:57 Making PBM More Credible
• 57:20 Building a New Scientific Journal
• 01:03:17 Practice-Based Research
• 01:11:47 The Vision With Unlimited Funding
• 01:15:12 Final Thanks and Outro

Connect with Dr. Praveen Arany

Website: https://dental.buffalo.edu/faculty/ubprofilehomepage.html?ubit=prarany

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/praveen-arany-1423807/

Socials: @arany_lab

Resources Mentioned

• Dr. Praveen Arany — University at Buffalo Faculty Profile
• Dr. Praveen Arany on LinkedIn
• World Association of Photobiomodulation Therapy (WALT)
• Northwell Health Quantum Biology Forum
• IAQB Practice-Based Research Network (PBRN)
• All QBC episodes, show notes, and link to the water machine

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What if the most important nutrient your body needs isn't on any food label?

Ethan Okunas, RD is a registered dietitian who spent years in outpatient weight loss watching patients do everything right and still gain the weight back. What he eventually discovered had nothing to do with macros or calories. It had to do with light.

In this conversation, Ethan makes a compelling case that light functions as nutrition for our cells. Your mitochondria use infrared and red wavelengths from sunlight to run more efficiently, regulate glucose, and maintain the cellular coherence that underlies real health. Remove that input, as modern indoor life largely does, and no amount of careful eating fully compensates.

Topics include: the Glen Jeffery study showing red light reduced post-meal glucose by 27%; why a 10-minute walk after eating drops blood sugar more than most dietary interventions; Ethan's theory that insulin resistance is actually a mitochondrial protection mechanism; why low-carb diets often destroy sleep; and what coherence actually means in quantum biology terms.

Ethan also shares what it's like to live in both worlds simultaneously: still working in conventional outpatient dietetics while running a quantum health coaching practice, and what that gap has taught him about where people's attention should actually go.

Timestamps

• 00:00 Food, Light, and Metabolism
• 00:31 Why Light Conversations Trigger People
• 01:30 Meet Ethan Okunas
• 03:04 Sponsors and Program Updates
• 04:25 Ethan’s Health Journey
• 06:02 School vs Real Learning
• 09:47 Coaching and Behavior Change
• 10:38 How Light Changes Health
• 14:52 Insulin Resistance Beyond Food
• 16:20 Red Light and Blood Sugar
• 20:19 Why Walking After Meals Works
• 23:14 Mitochondria and Metabolic Resistance
• 24:42 A Quantum Health Framework
• 29:31 Resilience Over Perfection
• 32:15 Technology vs Nature
• 33:13 Quantum Biology Goes Mainstream
• 33:31 Treating Symptoms vs Root Causes
• 34:18 Why Systems Resist Change
• 35:56 Balancing Work and Private Clients
• 38:48 Low-Carb Diets and Sleep Tradeoffs
• 41:49 Health Basics for the Average Person
• 45:23 Writing a Quantum Nutrition Book
• 50:38 Coherence Explained
• 53:12 Supplements After the Fundamentals
• 56:57 Light and Walkable Living
• 01:01:34 Book Details and Farewell

Connect with Ethan Okunas, RD

Website: quantumdietitian.com

Instagram: @Quantum.Dietitian

Resources Mentioned

Powner MB, Jeffery G. "Light stimulation of mitochondria reduces blood glucose levels." Journal of Biophotonics, 2024. DOI: 10.1002/jbio.202300521 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38378043/

Saint-Maurice PF, et al. "Association of Daily Step Count and Step Intensity With Mortality Among US Adults." JAMA, 2020. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32207799/

Why We Sleep by Mathew Walker

His book, Quantum Nutrition: The Unseen Signals That Shape Your Metabolism, Mitochondria, and Long-Term Health — Ethan Okunas (quantumdietitian.com + Amazon)

Mae-Wan Ho, The Rainbow and the Worm

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PhD neuroscientist Ramona von Leden joins Meredith to connect the dots between light, sleep, mitochondrial health, and neurodegeneration. What's actually happening in an Alzheimer's brain? Why is sleep disruption the biggest modifiable risk factor? And what does near-infrared light have to do with clearing amyloid beta? A science-grounded, practical conversation for anyone navigating neurodegeneration in their family — or trying to prevent it.

Timestamps

• 00:00 Sleep, Light, and Brain Health
• 01:07 Why Doctors Often Miss the Role of Light
• 03:07 Meet Ramona von Leden
• 04:48 Circadian Tools and Sponsors
• 05:32 Ramona’s Neuroscience Background
• 08:15 Why Energetics Matter More Than Drugs
• 10:55 The Future Beyond Pharmaceuticals
• 15:21 Why Neurodegeneration Is Increasing
• 18:42 Mitochondria and Metabolism Basics
• 21:33 Circadian Disruption and Sleep Loss
• 25:26 Streetlights, Sleep, and Alzheimer’s Risk
• 31:36 Inflammation and Brain Fog
• 32:44 Alzheimer’s, Dementia, and Parkinson’s
• 36:52 Brain vs Nervous System
• 37:49 The Brain–Nervous System Feedback Loop
• 38:17 Mitochondria and Neurodegeneration
• 40:14 Caregiver Routines and Sleep Support
• 42:08 Movement, Light, and Screen Hygiene
• 46:12 Technology Overload and Stress
• 50:35 Autonomic Nervous System Basics
• 52:42 Near-Infrared Helmet Demonstration
• 57:35 User Results and Sleep Improvements
• 01:00:56 The Future of Supportive Brain Medicine
• 01:06:04 Where to Learn More
• 01:07:32 Outro and Resources

Resources mentioned

• Neuronic light helmet: neuronic.online
• Hello Brain Podcast (Ramona's podcast)
• Winback America Medical Affairs
• Braino vation Network
• Outdoor Nighttime Light Pollution Exposure Study

Connect with Ramona Von Leden, PhD

Website: neuronic.online

Podcast: Hello Brain Podcast

Socials: @inthezonawithramona @neuronic

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Brigid Bandomer came to quantum biology the hard way — as a skeptical nurse who became a chronic patient. After decades working in home health nursing and hospital systems, a sudden severe autoimmune condition upended her life and eventually landed her at the Chung Institute, where she began healing through modalities she never would have considered before: autonomic response testing, acupuncture, ozone therapy, neural therapy, and low-dose immunotherapy. What started as a reluctant last resort became a profound reorientation of how she understands health, healing, and the human body.

In this conversation, Brigid and Meredith explore what it looks like when a trained nurse starts seeing her clinical education through the lens of quantum biology — and finds that the two have more in common than modern medicine tends to acknowledge.

Timestamps

• 00:00 Free Health Basics That Matter
• 00:35 Meet Brigid
• 02:08 Retreats, Sponsors, and Resources
• 04:25 Brigid’s Nursing Background
• 05:42 Autoimmune Disease as a Turning Point
• 07:04 The Chung Institute Approach
• 09:24 Research and Publishing
• 14:56 The Quantum Biology Forum
• 18:02 Ethics of Emerging Technologies
• 21:44 Artificial Lung Breakthroughs
• 26:20 Returning to Health Foundations
• 29:04 Modern Environmental Stressors
• 33:03 Symptoms as Signals
• 33:55 The Body Communicating Through Symptoms
• 35:30 Using Symptoms as Information
• 36:46 Healing Beyond Band-Aid Solutions
• 37:54 Quantum Biology Forum Insights
• 40:44 Prevention vs Profit in Healthcare
• 44:16 Rethinking Biology Education
• 45:22 Dysregulation in Modern Schools
• 47:25 School Nurse Reset Strategies
• 50:27 EMFs, Outdoor Time, and Teacher Health
• 53:09 Brigid’s Quantum Biology Journey
• 57:01 Nursing Theory and Physics
• 59:57 Energetic Hygiene for Caregivers
• 01:03:58 Closing Thoughts and Resources
• 01:06:13 Outro and Next Steps

Connect with Brigid Bandomer

Website: https://chunginstitute.com/ & https://wonsookchungfoundation.org/

Instagram: @chunginstitute & @bebando

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@chunginstitute?_r=1&_t=ZT-94tqFtGByVK

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You've upgraded your light bulbs. You get outside when you can. You've done the work. But if your windows were installed in the last 25 years, they're quietly stripping out the very wavelengths your biology runs on — and the fix is simpler than you think.

Guest Bio

Joe Menchefski is a chemical engineer with an MBA in Marketing whose career has been shaped by one question: how do we build spaces that actually support the people inside them? His introduction to the glazing industry came in 1996, managing polycarbonate and acrylic sheet extrusion operations, and he has worked with Advanced Glazings for 18 years. An experienced marketing and sales professional and entrepreneur, Joe is also the host of Better Buildings for Humans, a YouTube channel featuring conversations with the world's leading researchers on daylighting, views, indoor environmental quality, and sustainability.

Timestamps

• 00:00 Why Sunlight Matters for Health
• 00:24 Recording Setup Near Windows
• 02:13 Listener Question on Quantum Biology
• 04:56 Sponsor Mention
• 05:08 Meet Joe Mancheski
• 05:25 Natural Light in Buildings
• 08:07 Glare and Thermal Comfort
• 15:24 Circadian Lighting Workarounds
• 16:38 Advanced Glazing and Diffusers
• 17:14 Low-E Glass and Light Loss
• 19:53 Light Exposure and Myopia Risk
• 25:32 Full-Spectrum Window Technology
• 27:15 Aerogel Explained
• 32:24 The Shift Toward Healthier Buildings
• 33:32 Retrofitting Windows Costs
• 34:41 Which Windows to Replace First
• 37:34 Honeycomb Shades and Heat Control
• 38:25 Aerogel Insulation Breakthrough
• 39:20 Diffused Full-Spectrum Light Indoors
• 39:46 Ordering Options for Homeowners
• 40:11 Low-E Tradeoffs
• 43:49 Next-Gen Glass Technology
• 47:04 Simple Window Improvement Hacks
• 49:22 Building Codes and Health Standards
• 51:46 Responsibility for Healthy Buildings
• 56:08 Sunlight as a Human Right
• 58:50 Schools, Recess, and Sunlight
• 01:04:51 Wrap-Up and Resources

Connect with Guest

Website: https://bbfhpod.advancedglazings.com/

Socials:

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-menchefski-b-eng-mba-4b42617/
• https://www.linkedin.com/company/better-buildings-for-humans-podcast
• http://instagram.com/bbfhpod

Resources Mentioned

• Advanced Glazings — advancedglazings.com
• Better Buildings for Humans (Joe's YouTube channel) — search on YouTube
• Dr. Glen Jeffery — University College London; research on infrared light and health
• Scott Zimmerman — researcher on light spectrum and biological health

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Ulysse Dormoy has spent 36 years in the lighting industry, watching it transform from analog to digital — and more recently, from a purely visual technology into something with profound implications for human health. In this conversation, Ulysse brings a rare perspective: a lighting industry insider who has followed the science of light and biology deep enough to conclude that his own industry may be part of the problem.

He and his colleague Jeremy Fielding took spectrometers into the retail stores of Oxford Street and Regent Street in London to measure light quality in environments that should, above all others, be getting it right. What they found was revealing — and in some cases, absurd. He also shares how wearable light-measuring technology exposed just how little infrared light he was absorbing on even his most "outdoorsy" days — and what that means for the rest of us spending our lives under LED lighting.

Ulysse draws a compelling parallel between the industrialization of food and the industrialization of light: we've been fed, but we're not being nourished. And he makes the case that red light panels, now booming as a consumer wellness product, are simply supplementation for something our indoor environments have quietly stripped away.

Timestamps

• 00:00 Light and the Modern Health Crisis
• 01:06 Meet the Lighting Insider
• 03:47 From Analog Lighting to LEDs
• 06:55 Flicker, Drivers, and Hidden Effects
• 10:08 Why Spectral Quality Matters
• 11:00 Retail Lighting Experiment
• 12:28 Where Beauty Stores Get It Wrong
• 16:01 Why Retail Lighting Needs to Improve
• 19:34 Discovering the Biology of Light
• 24:32 The Human Sustainability Perspective
• 28:05 Light as a Form of Nutrition
• 30:52 Understanding Bulb Labels and Metrics
• 33:15 Origins of Life and Energy
• 35:24 When Efficiency Priorities Backfire
• 36:45 Light as Prevention
• 38:18 Rethinking Light Measurement
• 40:40 Sunlight vs Artificial Light
• 42:59 Living Indoors Like a Space Station
• 46:09 What Light Really Is
• 49:06 Policy, Hospitals, and Lighting
• 52:51 Anecdotes vs Evidence
• 58:45 Measuring Light With Wearables
• 01:03:35 Screens and Indoor Living
• 01:09:33 Real-Time Biometrics
• 01:12:27 Closing Thoughts and Show Notes

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Website: www.atrium.ltd.uk

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What happens when a civil engineer — one with a doctorate in mathematical modeling, a university chair, and 25 researchers on his team — refuses to stop at the edge of what materialist science can measure? Ralf Otterpohl spent decades solving real-world problems: wastewater systems that restore soil nutrients, regenerative agriculture frameworks, and decentralized community designs for a post-industrial world. But running parallel to all of it was a quieter investigation — into the energetic quality of places, the entities that drain human vitality, and the trauma patterns that keep people from their purpose. In this conversation, Ralf brings the same systems-thinking mind he applied to water engineering to the invisible architecture of life — and makes a surprisingly rigorous case for all of it.

Guest Bio

Ralf Otterpohl is a civil and environmental engineer, former Chair of the Institute for Wastewater Management at Hamburg University of Technology, and author of Blueprint for a Golden Age and Maximum Vitality. Over a 30-year career, he pioneered alternative wastewater systems now implemented across Europe, built research programs in regenerative agriculture and rainwater harvesting, and developed the Garden Communities framework for resilient, decentralized living. Trained in geomancy and the healing methods of Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt, he now works as a coach and educator helping people release deep-rooted trauma patterns and restore vital energy. He lives and teaches between northern Germany and the French Pyrenees.

Timestamps

• 00:00 Why Vital Energy Matters
• 00:55 Meet Ralf Otterpohl
• 02:22 Programs and Certification
• 04:02 Engineering Into Water Systems
• 05:44 Rethinking Wastewater
• 10:04 Soil, Water, and Climate Links
• 13:29 AI Risks and Local Resilience
• 19:14 The Vision for Garden Communities
• 23:29 Blueprint for a New “Golden Age”
• 25:38 From Engineering to Geomancy
• 27:04 What Geomancy Is
• 30:29 Human Emotion and Land Energy
• 31:44 Group Geomancy in Practice
• 34:32 Can We Scientifically Sense Energy?
• 36:11 Types of Entities and Origins
• 40:37 Vital Energy and the “Prison” Idea
• 44:37 Quick Personal Energy Reset Exercise
• 47:02 How to Spot Energy Drains
• 49:24 Community as Protection
• 52:16 Releasing Inner Blockages
• 54:34 Trauma Release and EMDR Example
• 59:36 Trainings and Where to Learn More
• 01:01:06 Wrap-Up and Outro

What You'll Learn

• Why flushing toilets are one of the most ecologically irrational systems we've built — and what the alternatives look like
• How destruction of soil and the water cycle is the real mechanism behind what we call climate change
• What a Garden Community of 150 people looks like as a functional economic unit — and why tight-knit intentional communities usually fail
• What geomancy actually is, how it's practiced in groups, and why the results hold up statistically
• The four categories of energetic disturbance Ralf has identified in landscapes, buildings, and personal energy fields
• Why vital energy is the most precious resource in the universe — and how parasitic entities (including those embedded in AI systems) steal it
• A live 30-second exercise to reclaim your energy from the internet and from the day
• How Ralf's psychomancy coaching method — derived from Klinghardt's framework — can resolve decades-old trauma in under 30 minutes
• Why African communities, despite material scarcity, often carry extraordinarily high vital energy — and what they know that the West has lost

Timestamps

• 00:00 Why Vital Energy Matters
• 00:55 Meet Ralf Otterpohl
• 02:22 Programs and Certification
• 04:02 Engineering Into Water Systems
• 05:44 Rethinking Wastewater
• 10:04 Soil, Water, and Climate Links
• 13:29 AI Risks and Local Resilience
• 19:14 The Vision for Garden Communities
• 23:29 Blueprint for a New “Golden Age”
• 25:38 From Engineering to Geomancy
• 27:04 What Geomancy Is
• 30:29 Human Emotion and Land Energy
• 31:44 Group Geomancy in Practice
• 34:32 Can We Scientifically Sense Energy?
• 36:11 Types of Entities and Origins
• 40:37 Vital Energy and the “Prison” Idea
• 44:37 Quick Personal Energy Reset Exercise
• 47:02 How to Spot Energy Drains
• 49:24 Community as Protection
• 52:16 Releasing Inner Blockages
• 54:34 Trauma Release and EMDR Example
• 59:36 Trainings and Where to Learn More
• 01:01:06 Wrap-Up and Outro

Resources Mentioned

• Dirt to Soil — Gabe Brown
• The Market Gardener — Jean-Martin Fortier
• Garden Communities — Ralf Otterpohl
• Blueprint for a Golden Age — Ralf Otterpohl
• Maximum Vitality — Ralf Otterpohl (recently published; includes the full psychomancy methodology)
• Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt — founder of Applied Psycho-Neurobiology and Autonomic Response Testing
• Carlos Castaneda — The Teachings of Don Juan (cited as early influence)
• EMDR — Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (therapeutic technique)

Selected Quotes

"Vital energy is giving us life. It's lifetime. And with gold you can't really buy a lot of lifetime — but you can with vital energy. It's the most precious resource."

"We are a society without a vision, without a commonly shared vision. There are a million books on all the things that are terrible — and nothing on a vision for the future."

"When you are down in energy, you don't even realize that you are down."

"Everything we need to know about AI entities, we should know: our instruments look like this. Our perception as sentient beings — we can perceive so much more."

"The love for a forest, for a tree, for a garden increases the energy. Energy intensity will increase by our love."

"Materialistic science is a model in itself — and it's inconclusive. It can't even explain why life exists. I don't accept that. So we go further."

IAQB Call to Action

If this conversation sparked curiosity about the energetic dimensions of biological systems — and how practitioners are beginning to work at that interface — the IAQB certification program is where applied quantum biology practitioners develop the framework to bring this science into clinical practice. Learn more at iaqb.foundation

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Website: gartenring.org

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