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Join us for an enlightening conversation with Darren Thomas, an extraordinary athlete hailing from the trails of Colorado Springs. Just ahead of his participation in the 2024 Pikes Peak Marathon, Darren shares how the rugged landscapes of his hometown ignited his love for trail and ultrarunning. From his early days in cross-country at Virginia Tech to conquering formidable races like the Grindstone 100 Miler, Darren offers insights into the supportive running communities he’s encountered and the technical challenges of East Coast trails. As we chat, we touch on his recent training hurdles and strategies for upcoming races, providing listeners with a glimpse into the mind of a trailblazing runner.

Darren also sheds light on the evolving mindset around DNFs (Did Not Finish) in the competitive running world, moving towards a healthier focus on safety and long-term performance. We dive into what it takes to excel in races that test the limits of vertical running, discussing everything from genetic factors to grueling training regimens. With Darren’s personal tales and experiences, we draw comparisons between iconic races, like the Pikes Peak Marathon and the Mammoth Trail Fest, and reflect on the unique allure these races hold for athletes worldwide. Our discussion offers a fresh perspective on how race strategy and goal-setting can shape an athlete's journey.

In addition to Darren’s story, we explore the legendary Barkley Marathons, delving into its enigmatic culture and the figures that make it a hallmark of the ultrarunning world. We also wander through the rich history of mountain races, such as Pike's Peak and Mount Marathon, emphasizing their community roots and competitive spirit. As the episode unfolds, we touch on creative endeavors like route design, race organization, and the impact of technology on our connection to nature. This episode promises a journey through athleticism, community, and the never-ending quest for adventure, leaving listeners inspired and eager to lace up their running shoes.

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Discover the secrets behind the thrilling world of mountain running and uncover the fierce rivalries that dominate the circuit. What's driving athletes like Scout Akin, Andre Elia, and Joyce Njeru to push their limits on the rugged trails of Italy and Switzerland? In this episode of Steep Stuff, previously known as This Week in Sub Ultra, we unravel the drama and excitement of the 2024 Mountain Running World Cup Finals and set the stage for the Golden Trail World Series. From the breathtaking Italian vistas to the upcoming Swiss showdown, there's something for every mountain running enthusiast to savor!

We'll take you through the epic showdowns from the 2023 and 2024 mountain running series, where Italian and Kenyan athletes have been battling it out for top honors. With a nail-biting finish, Andre Elia claimed victory, while American talents like Christian Allen and Joseph Gray made their mark despite setbacks. The unique staggered start format added an unexpected twist, leading to some unforgettable performances. And let's not forget the Atkins family, whose collective prowess continues to intrigue and inspire fans globally.

As the Golden Trail World Series Final approaches, anticipation is palpable for what promises to be a captivating finale in Switzerland. We'll spotlight top contenders and give a special nod to standout American athletes like Ali Ostrander and Lauren Gregory, who are ready to make their presence known. With lucrative opportunities and fierce competition on the horizon, this episode offers a comprehensive guide to the motivations and stakes for these elite athletes. Join me, James Lauriello, as we celebrate the passion, perseverance, and pulse-pounding action that define mountain running in this action-packed edition of the Steep Stuff podcast!

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Trail running enthusiasts, get ready to be inspired by the extraordinary journey of Jeff Cuno, a trailblazer who swapped motocross tracks for mountain trails. Discover how Jeff's motocross background empowered his quick ascent in the sub-ultra trail running scene, leading to impressive feats like his top 10 finish at the Pikes Peak Marathon. Jeff shares his unique perspective on the sport's growing competition, fueled by athletes from track and road racing, while offering insights into how he navigated his racing career since 2016.

We also explore the vibrant running cultures of Albuquerque, New Mexico, and Colorado. Enjoy the stories of stunning landscapes, mild winters, and bustling running communities that highlight the benefits of each region. From uncrowded trails to exhilarating local races, you'll learn about the lifestyle differences and outdoor accessibility that make these areas a runner's paradise. Dive into the community spirit, the outdoor lifestyle, and even get a taste of the local food scene that contributes to the unique charm of these areas.

As we dig into the technicalities of training and racing, Jeff reveals his strategies for balancing fitness and peak performance. From overcoming the challenges of high-altitude races to embracing the unpredictable nature of trail running, this episode is packed with practical race preparation tips and gear advice. Plus, enjoy lighter moments discussing favorite footwear and nighttime musings about aliens. Whether you're an elite runner or a weekend warrior, this episode offers something for everyone passionate about trail running.

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Join us for an exhilarating conversation with Brad Barrett, an Arc'teryx athlete and my trusted training partner, as we traverse his dynamic journey from competitive soccer to the world of mountain running and skiing. His story is one of transformation, finding solace and focus on the trails during a turbulent time in his early twenties. Get a firsthand look at the life of a sponsored athlete, as Brad shares his remarkable achievements and ambitious future plans, all while navigating the thrilling and unpredictable world of mountain sports.

We venture into the heart of mountain adventures, from the demanding challenges of Colorado's 14ers to the pure exhilaration of backcountry skiing. Brad and I dissect the dichotomy of fear and composure in risky outdoor pursuits and the invaluable lessons learned during solo challenges. Our dialogue captures the essence of mountain escapades, including breathtaking yet daunting winter conditions, the thrill of setting Fastest Known Times, and the constant dance with nature's capriciousness. Safety, preparation, and personal growth form the backbone of these adrenaline-fueled endeavors.

Our discussion meanders through themes of community, mentorship, and the balance between personal and professional pursuits. We delve into the complexities and joys of collaborating with outdoor brands like Arc'teryx, and the legacy athletes hope to leave behind. In a surprising twist, we tackle thought-provoking topics like the impact of AI and the tantalizing possibility of extraterrestrial life. This episode is a compelling tapestry of stories and insights from Brad Barrett's mountain journey, offering listeners inspiration and a peek into the world of extreme sports.

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How does a UK fell runner prepare for the storied Pikes Peak Ascent? Join us on this episode of the Steep Stuff Podcast as we welcome George Foster, an elite British trail runner, who opens up about his unique training regimen and the breathtaking experience of racing in Colorado. George's visit to the U.S. and the serenity of Bar Camp set the stage for an unforgettable race, and we explore how his approach to running reflects the rich heritage of fell running in the UK. We also touch on the surge of interest in sub-ultra distance races across the globe and the contrasting race cultures in the U.S. and Europe.

From school sports to world stages, George takes us through his personal and professional running journey, sharing anecdotes from international races in Thailand and Austria. His passion for running was rekindled during his time in the army, leading to remarkable success despite battling a significant injury. George's resilience and determination shine through as he discusses the challenges and triumphs faced while competing at the highest levels, providing insights that are both inspiring and informative.

We also dive into the world of mountain running, examining iconic challenges like the Bob Graham Round and its impact on the global running community. Through a blend of personal stories and broader reflections, we compare the conditions and culture of trail running in different environments, from the wet, rugged terrains of the UK to the dry, sunny peaks of Colorado. The episode wraps up with George's reflections on the camaraderie within the sport and the lasting legacy of mountain running, leaving listeners motivated and eager to hit the trails. Tune in for a deep and engaging conversation with one of trail running’s finest.

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Ever wondered how top athletes balance rigorous training with professional careers? Colorado Springs runner and physical therapist Emily Schwerdt joins us to share her inspiring journey from collegiate running in St. Louis to her recent triumph at the Speedgoat 21K. You'll learn about Emily's unique training regimen, how she balances sub-ultra and marathon running, and her exciting plans for the CIM marathon. Plus, get a behind-the-scenes look at her experiences crewing for major ultramarathons like Western States and Javelina, and discover her passion for pelvic floor physical therapy.

Trail running enthusiasts will find plenty to enjoy as we recount the thrills and challenges of races in the Cirque Series and the demands of back-to-back long runs. We reminisce about our college running days, emphasizing the importance of supportive coaching and balancing academics and athletics. Transitioning from road racing to trails, we share personal experiences and the joys of competing in community-focused events. This conversation also provides valuable insights into strategic training and the unique subculture of incliners in Colorado Springs.

The adventure continues with intense stories from ultramarathon pacing, including an unexpected fire scare that forced last-minute route changes. We explore the strategic and nutritional challenges faced by elite runners in races like UTMB and Leadville 100. For a lighter touch, we share wildlife encounters, debate the existence of Bigfoot, and ponder the mysteries of the universe and artificial intelligence. This episode is packed with exciting adventures, personal anecdotes, and thought-provoking discussions that you won’t want to miss!

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What does it take to conquer the Pikes Peak Ascent three times? Join us on the Steep Stuff Podcast as we sit down with Colorado Springs legend Allie McLaughlin, fresh from her latest victory at the 2024 Pikes Peak Ascent. Allie shares her remarkable journey, reflecting on her recent races like the OCC, and offers a glimpse into her future plans. Amidst recounting her thrilling experiences in Washington and her boyfriend's recovery from a wingsuit accident, Allie opens up about the mental pressures of competitive trail running and the unique role athletes play in the sport’s expanding media presence.

Ever wondered how elite ultrarunners strategize for peak performance? Our conversation with Allie reveals her evolving race tactics and nutrition strategies, highlighting the significance of a balanced approach to training and fueling. From the highs of well-executed races to the lows of bonking hard, Allie’s personal anecdotes provide invaluable lessons for runners of all levels. We discuss the changing pace of the sport, the importance of nutrition, and how Allie has refined her approach to ultras, offering listeners practical advice and inspiration.

We also dive into broader themes of training and nutrition, with Allie sharing her personal experiments and the impact of terrain and pacing on fueling. Covering the transition from high school sports to college running, and the dynamic nature of the trail running community, this episode is packed with insights. Allie’s reflections on the journey from competitive running to exhilarating adventures like skydiving and base jumping underscore the importance of resilience and a well-rounded athletic career. Tune in for a captivating discussion that promises to inspire and inform endurance athletes and adventure seekers alike.

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Prepare to be inspired by Rio Townsend, a remarkable U23 Sky Runner who masterfully juggles her college life at the University of Hawaii while training at elite levels. Rio, who is pursuing journalism and political science with dreams of becoming a travel writer like John Krakauer, shares her journey through the thrilling world of sky running. From the intense, vert-filled trails of Hawaii to her passion for storytelling, Rio’s multifaceted life and aspirations offer a deep dive into balancing academics, athletics, and a love for adventure.

Our conversation also uncovers the unique paths of various athletes, touching on the transition from Muay Thai to MMA and running. We explore the mental resilience required in combat sports and the parallels with long-distance running. Thrilling anecdotes from extreme races like the via ferrata climb in Peru paint a vivid picture of the challenges and camaraderie experienced in the sky running community. Whether discussing cliff jumping in Hawaii or preparing for a race in South Korea, each story reflects the exhilarating blend of outdoor adventure and athletic dedication.

But it's not all about the physical feats. We navigate through thought-provoking topics like the belief in aliens, government secrets, and generational perspectives on career aspirations and social media's impact on athletes. Rio's insights, combined with our engaging discussions on topics from the mysteries of the moon landing to the existence of Bigfoot, promise a podcast episode filled with inspiration, adventure, and excitement. Tune in to explore the blend of high-altitude racing, compelling storytelling, and the joy of living a multifaceted life.

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Get ready to experience America's Ultimate Challenge like never before! In this episode, we sit down with Brian Whitfield, a seasoned runner and dedicated middle school teacher, as he opens up about the mental and physical battles faced during the Pikes Peak Ascent. Brian's riveting personal anecdotes and insights into his future racing plans set the stage for an exhilarating journey through one of the most grueling races in America. We'll also explore the race's rich history dating back to its origins in 1938 and 1956, and how its electrifying atmosphere draws thousands of elite runners from around the globe.

We'll highlight standout performances from past Pikes Peak races, including Remy Bonnet's record-breaking run in 2023 and Kim Dobson's remarkable 2012 performance. As we discuss the competitive dynamics of this year's event, you'll hear about top contenders like Joseph Gray, Ali Mac, and Annie Flint, along with practical race day insights such as aid station logistics and the cooler temperatures expected to enhance the race experience. This episode is packed with expert analysis and a behind-the-scenes look into the strategies and preparations of these extraordinary athletes.

Our conversation extends to the women's field, featuring standout competitors like Maria Jolie Vela from Mexico and Shania Barbash from Montana, and the promising young talents from the Western Trail Running Team of Gunnison, Colorado. Additionally, we provide a thrilling preview of elite runners like Rajpal Panu, Evans Kabat, and local favorite Benjamin Down, analyzing their training and strategies for the big race. Join us for an episode filled with inspiration and a celebration of the incredible athletes who take on the challenge of Pikes Peak.

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What if you could conquer the highs and lows of mountain running with ease? Join us as we uncover the journey of Jennifer Yeaman, a top-tier runner from Colorado Springs. From her incredible victories at the Kendall Mountain Run and the Up and Over 10K in New Mexico to her move from California to the Rockies, Jennifer shares the challenges and triumphs of her running career. She talks about her experiences running alongside her husband and the significant shift in her training under new coach MK Sullivan. We'll also explore her insights on the Colorado Springs running scene versus Boulder, and her high hopes for the upcoming Pikes Peak Marathon.

Discover the allure of lesser-known races like the Up and Over in Taos, New Mexico, and the Verts Vertical race. We delve into the technical demands of these courses and the breathtaking landscapes that make them unforgettable. Plus, get a behind-the-scenes look at the 24-mile race in Telluride, including the camaraderie and competition among elite runners like Brad Barrett and Ryan Becker. Jennifer also weighs in on high-altitude training, running solo versus with friends, and transitioning from traditional mileage-based training to a more time-focused approach.

Beyond running, Jennifer opens up about balancing year-round training with other passions like skiing and snowshoeing. She reminisces about her transition from competitive collegiate sports to trail running and shares her go-to gear, like Hoka's Mafate shoes. We also touch on nutrition strategies for long-distance races and the hurdles of specific terrains. And for a bit of fun, we ponder extraterrestrial life, the future of AI, and why we haven't returned to the moon. Don't miss our detailed preview of upcoming live events at the Pike's Peak Marathon and Ascent. This episode is packed with insights and inspiration for runners and enthusiasts alike!

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