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  • Nurturing VS Numbing

    In this episode of Healing with Worth, hosts Janine and Naomi dive into the topic of nurturing versus numbing as coping mechanisms, especially in the context of trauma and triggers. The discussion centers on the importance of recognizing when we’re avoiding issues by numbing our emotions through activities like excessive TV watching, unhealthy eating, or overworking, and the negative impact this has on our relationships and overall well-being.

    The hosts share personal experiences with numbing behaviors, such as binge-watching shows like Survivor or indulging in Hallmark movies, and the temporary relief these activities provided from the overwhelming noise in their minds. However, they emphasize that while these behaviors might offer a temporary escape, they ultimately prevent healing and growth.

    The conversation then shifts to healthier ways of coping through nurturing practices. The hosts suggest using mindfulness techniques and grounding exercises that engage the five senses—sight, smell, touch, sound, and taste—to stay present and process emotions. They also discuss the value of connection, encouraging listeners to reach out to trusted friends or support groups, like the WORTH group, for authentic, non-judgmental support.

    Janine and Naomi highlight the importance of self-compassion and mindful practices as pathways to healing, suggesting alternatives like prayer journals, essential oils, and nature walks to nurture oneself through difficult times. The episode serves as a gentle reminder to prioritize self-care and seek healthier ways to cope with life’s challenges.

    58 min
  • Getting Off the Merry-Go-Round: Understanding Obsessive Thoughts in Betrayal Trauma

    In this episode of "Healing with Worth," Janine and Naomi continue their exploration of grief, particularly focusing on the phase of obsession following betrayal. They discuss how this phase can consume one's energy and leave someone stuck, often leading to hypervigilance, constant analyzing, and feeling unsafe. The hosts emphasize that while it's normal to experience obsession, it's crucial not to get stuck there. They highlight the importance of self-care, setting boundaries, and being present in the moment as key tools to move through this phase.

    Janine and Naomi also differentiate between grieving a betrayal and grieving a death, noting that betrayal grief is complicated by the ongoing presence of the person who caused the pain. They discuss the process of healing, which involves not only the betrayed spouse's work but also the understanding that true safety and healing come from within. The episode concludes with a reminder that while it's normal to spin in obsessive thoughts, having the right tools and compassion for oneself can help in stepping out of it and moving toward healing.

    30 min
  • Feeling the Shock and Moving Past Denial in Betrayal Trauma

    In this episode of Healing with Worth, Janine and Naomi take a deep dive into the stages of the grief cycle, focusing particularly on the stages of shock and obsession. They discuss the initial shock that comes with the discovery of betrayal, explaining how it can push someone into a trance-like state, triggering fight, flight, or freeze responses. The hosts emphasize that this overwhelming reaction is a natural survival mechanism as one grapples with the sudden upheaval of their reality.

    They also explore the tendency to enter a state of obsession, where ruminating thoughts about the future of the relationship can dominate, making it difficult to function in daily life. Janine and Naomi stress the importance of self-care during this stage, including eating, drinking, and sleeping, as these basic needs are crucial for navigating through the shock and beginning the healing process.

    The episode also touches on the interconnectedness of shock and denial, explaining how denial can coexist with shock as a way to protect oneself from the full impact of the betrayal. However, they caution against getting stuck in denial, as it can hinder the healing process. They discuss the importance of acknowledging the damage done to the relationship and oneself, rather than skipping straight to forgiveness, which can prevent true healing.

    The conversation is rounded out with personal insights and experiences, highlighting the complexities of forgiveness and the necessity of seeing real change in a partner's behavior before moving forward.

    32 min
  • Healing Through Grief: Understanding Grief in the Betrayal Trauma Journey

    In this episode of Healing with Worth, hosts Janine and Naomi delve

    into the profound topic of grief, particularly as it relates to healing from
    betrayal trauma. They discuss how grief manifests in different stages,
    especially following a "D-Day"—a moment of shocking revelation about
    a spouse’s betrayal. They emphasize the immense loss one feels, not only of trust
    in a partner but also in oneself, others, and even in God. Janine and Naomi
    outline the grief process using the well-known stages identified by Elizabeth
    Kübler-Ross, including denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance.
    They highlight that these stages are not linear and often overlap, with
    emotions like anger often masking deeper feelings of sadness and fear.

    The hosts stress the importance of connection in healing, warning against

    isolation, which can hinder the recovery process. They also introduce the idea
    that betrayal trauma is a form of emotional abuse, intensifying the grief and
    complexity of healing. As the episode closes, Janine and Naomi hint at
    exploring additional aspects of the grief cycle, such as shock and obsession,
    in future episodes. They encourage listeners to acknowledge their grief,
    embrace the healing journey, and take the necessary steps to move forward,
    however gradual they may be.

    23 min
  • Boundary Myth Busters PT 1

    In this episode of Healing with Worth, hosts Janine and Naomi continue their exploration of myths and misconceptions about boundaries. They delve into the essential nature of boundaries, discussing how they are crucial for creating a sense of peace and safety, especially when such security has been compromised. The hosts clarify that boundaries are personal and do not necessarily need to be communicated to others. They emphasize that boundaries are actionable steps taken to protect oneself, not passive guidelines.

    Janine and Naomi debunk several myths, such as the idea that setting boundaries is a sign of weakness or that it will make others dislike you. They highlight the importance of self-respect and assertiveness in maintaining healthy boundaries. The discussion also touches on the misconception that boundaries are rigid and inflexible, explaining that they are dynamic and can change over time as individuals grow and circumstances evolve.

    The hosts share personal experiences, illustrating the complexities and challenges of setting boundaries, particularly in relationships where there may be overt or covert abusive behaviors. They underscore the importance of continually reassessing and adjusting boundaries to ensure ongoing safety and well-being. The episode concludes with a promise to continue this vital discussion in future episodes, as there are many more myths and nuances to explore.

    25 min
  • Boundary Myth Busters PT 1

    In this episode of Healing with Worth, hosts Janine and Naomi delve into the topic of boundaries, addressing common myths and misconceptions. They highlight the challenges women, especially those in abusive relationships, face in setting boundaries. The hosts emphasize that boundaries are essential for healthy relationships and self-care, dispelling myths such as the idea that setting boundaries is selfish, will change the abuser's behavior, or is an easy process. They stress the importance of recognizing and respecting one's needs without guilt, and the complexities involved in establishing boundaries. They also caution that boundaries won't necessarily heal trauma or stop abuse, particularly in physically dangerous situations, and advocate for seeking professional help and support. The discussion includes a powerful quote from Brené Brown, emphasizing that compassionate people set boundaries to avoid resentment. The hosts invite listeners to share their thoughts and questions, offering further episodes to explore more myths and provide support.

    19 min
  • Self Care 101

    Episode: Self Care for Recovery

    • Introduction: Welcome to Healing With Worth, a podcast dedicated to healthy recovery and instilling hope in the wake of betrayal trauma. Join hosts Janine and Naomi as they share their personal experiences to support other women on this journey. Remember, they are not professionals, and this podcast is not a replacement for therapeutic healing.

    • Therapist-Led Support Groups: If you are looking for therapist-led support groups to help with betrayal trauma, reach out to

    • to join one of our online WORTH groups.

    • Self Care Essentials: Janine and Naomi emphasize the importance of self-care as a pillar of recovery. They discuss how setting boundaries and managing self-care is critical, especially for mothers with young children. Self-care isn't just about indulgent activities like bubble baths but includes anything that nurtures and supports well-being during difficult times.

    • Compassion and Patience: Healing is a long process that requires compassion and patience with oneself. The hosts highlight the importance of taking time to discern your safety and the intentions of your partner. Recognizing the difference between numbing out and intentional self-care is crucial.

    • Self Care Myths: Janine and Naomi debunk common myths about self-care:

      • Self-care is selfish: It's essential for your healing and not selfish.
      • Self-care is a one-time event: It’s an ongoing process that needs to be integrated into daily life.
      • Self-care must be expensive or time-consuming: Simple, everyday practices can be effective forms of self-care.
      • Analogies and Tools for Self Care: The hosts use analogies like the airline mask and a three-legged stool to illustrate the importance of balanced self-care. They also recommend tools like the self-care wheel or life balance wheel to help identify areas in your life that may need more focus.

      • Closing Thoughts: Emphasize the importance of modeling self-care for children and setting goals in areas such as spiritual, intellectual, physical, and social aspects of life. The episode concludes with a quote from Kristen Neff on the transformative power of self-compassion.


        26 min
      • Untangling Christian Myths That Can Keep Us Stuck: Interview With Therapist Ashlie Hilton PT 1

        Join your hosts, Janine and Naomi, as we dive into an enlightening discussion with our special guest, Ashley Hilton. Ashley recently graduated with her master's degree in counseling and is working toward dual licensing as a Licensed Professional Counselor and Marriage and Family Therapist in Colorado. She works with individuals, couples, families, and groups, focusing on those dealing with betrayal, trauma, infidelity, compulsive pornography addiction, and shame.

        In this episode, Ashley shares insights from her work, particularly her experience with the Gottman method, EFT, and EMDR. She discusses her integrative approach to healing that considers physical, social, emotional, spiritual, intellectual, and psychological aspects for deeper and lasting change.
        Ashley introduces us to the advanced healing group she runs, designed for women moving from merely surviving to truly thriving. This group supports women in navigating the complex and often messy middle stages of recovery and empowerment, offering a space for hard questions and self-empowerment.
        The core topic of our conversation is the concept of forgiveness, especially within the context of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We explore how gospel principles can sometimes be weaponized, leading to cognitive dissonance and confusion. Ashley deconstructs cultural myths around forgiveness, distinguishing between forgiveness and reconciliation, and offers a richer understanding of these concepts.

        50 min
      • Back Pocket Boundary Statements

        In todays episode, Janine and Naomi are diving into the vital topic of boundaries. We'll discuss the importance of setting boundaries not just with our husbands, but also in various aspects of our lives where we might find ourselves overextending to accommodate others.

        We'll provide practical sentences to help you assert your needs and maintain your energy, especially during early recovery when it’s crucial to reserve your energy for the things that truly bring you joy. As women, we often struggle with saying no due to social conditioning that encourages us to be accommodating. This episode aims to equip you with phrases to handle situations where you need to set boundaries without feeling unaccommodating.
        From learning to say "I can't do that right now" to asserting "I'm uncomfortable with what you just said or did," we'll offer phrases that can help you navigate challenging conversations. We’ll also explore the importance of respecting your own limits and recognizing when you’ve overextended yourself to avoid resentment and anger. Join us as we empower you to stand in your power, protect your well-being, and set boundaries that foster healthier relationships and self-respect.
        Remember, good boundaries will help protect you from being taken advantage of and ensure you don't end up feeling resentful or exhausted. Tune in for practical advice and supportive discussion on reclaiming your energy and standing firm in your needs.

        28 min
      • Inhale Insight: Mindfulness Starts With the Breath

        In today's episode, we dive into the transformative practice of mindfulness. Mindfulness involves being fully aware of your thoughts, feelings, sensations, and surroundings in the present moment. This practice can significantly reduce stress, enhance your mood, and improve overall well-being.

        Join us as we share practical tips to integrate mindfulness into your daily life. We'll discuss how mindfulness can be particularly beneficial when dealing with trauma, anxiety, or anger. One of the key components we'll explore is mindful breathing—a simple yet powerful tool that helps center your mind and body.

        We'll walk you through the steps of mindful breathing, starting with finding a comfortable position and focusing on your breath without judgment. We’ll also revisit insights from our past guest, Dallin Brun, who emphasized that if you're focusing on your breath, you're doing it right.

        We'll also introduce five different types of breathing techniques to incorporate into your mindfulness practice, starting with deep belly breathing. Whether you're lying down or sitting, you'll learn how to inhale deeply, feel the air inflate your belly, and release tension with each exhale.


        Tune in to this episode to discover how mindfulness can help you navigate life's challenges and bring peace to your everyday moments.

        24 min

      About Healing with WORTH

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      Heal from betrayal with WORTH. Each week we interview therapists, talk about healthy tools of recovery, and hear women's stories of hope. Our Christ-centered focus combines the science of recovery with the healing power of God.

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