CORRECTION — SUICIDE RISK (40:44–41:38)
The discussion incorrectly suggests that people who talk about or threaten suicide are probably safe or less likely to act. Talking about suicide is a warning sign, not evidence of low risk. Take every mention seriously and seek help promptly. In the U.S., call or text 988; call 911 for an immediate life-threatening emergency. Source: National Institute of Mental Health.
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About this conversation
Ian Koch recognized something in Jason Grubb's behavior before they had ever talked about his drinking. Jason thought Ian was joking. Ian wasn't.
Jason and Rick Stevenson sit down with Ian, a licensed clinical drug and alcohol counselor and founder of Surfside in New Jersey. Their relationship began with Jason coaching Ian in CrossFit. Over time, Ian became the person Jason turned to for help with drinking, family life, and patterns he had learned to treat as normal.
Jason describes what his evenings actually looked like, why limiting himself to a couple of glasses of wine was harder than he wanted to admit, and how his competitive discipline coexisted with a drinking problem. He talks about the conversation with Gina that preceded his decision to stop, the extra contact with Ian during those first days, and his frustration when quitting did not immediately improve his recovery numbers.
Ian shares his own experience of sobriety since 2005 and explains why he started an adventure-based recovery program that includes surfing, climbing, and CrossFit. The conversation covers family patterns, accountability, the shame around asking for help, and where someone can start looking for support.
In this episode
* How Ian recognized a problem before Jason talked about his drinking
* Why success in CrossFit did not mean Jason had control of his alcohol use
* The difference between intending to have two glasses and actually stopping at two
* Gina's observation on New Year's morning and Jason's decision to stop
* The first days without alcohol: accountability, expectations, and recovery numbers
* Family patterns, shame, and the reluctance to ask for help
* Ian's recovery story and the start of Surfside
* How to reach out for yourself or someone you care about
Chapters
00:00 — The moment Ian saw the problem
01:45 — Meet Ian Koch and Surfside
03:50 — From coaching Ian to asking him for help
05:26 — Thirdzy sponsor message
06:10 — Ian's recovery story
08:55 — Why Ian started Surfside
11:42 — Why asking for mental-health help feels different
13:50 — Jason's drinking and the patterns underneath
18:08 — Gina joins the conversation
19:44 — Trying to limit the drinking
26:54 — New Year's and the decision to stop
28:42 — Accountability in the first days
29:14 — Why quitting didn't fix recovery numbers overnight
31:02 — The question of drinking again
34:02 — Watching how much everyone else drinks
36:40 — Family patterns, shame, and asking for help
40:41 — Suicide-risk discussion — see correction above
42:34 — When family members need support
44:01 — Ian's concerns about cannabis
47:55 — How to reach out for help
50:10 — Direct conversations and the relief of asking
52:40 — CrossFit and recovery
53:52 — Bolder Athlete sponsor message
Guest and support resources
Learn about Ian's program and contact the team at Surfside.
This episode shares personal experiences and does not replace individualized medical or mental health care. Take any talk of suicide seriously. In the U.S., call or text 988 for crisis support. See NIMH's suicide-prevention guidance.
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