Supermodel Paulina Porizkova has been in the public eye all her life. But it has been a rollercoaster of soaring successes and deep heartache. Grief and pain comes to us all, and in those moments, we need our shared humanity (and not our super-anythingness) to build a bridge back to others.

In this tender conversation, Kate and Paulina discuss:

• How to show up to friends in unsolvable pain
• Why “what doesn’t kill you will make you stronger” is just plain wrong
• Why the assumptions we make about one another are untrue 

CW: Spicy language

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