Radio 831: A Romance Podcast

As the temps rise, we're starting to think more and more about what to wear in *this weather* (and, while we're at it, the celebs we love so much we'd like to give thim a daytime talk show).

Are you paying enough attention to Brandi Carlile? As in, are you watching her coach her daughter on how to use a drill? See also: The Highwomen and their songs "Crowded Table" and "Redesigning Women" specifically.

Onto summer dressing! (Shoutout to our last summer dressing ep, too.) And the never-ending search for summer dresses! In an effort to replicate the glory days of an old cotton Apiece Apart Josefina dress, Claire is trying out the Flore Flore Esme dress.

For denim shorts, Claire recommends Raey's Rivet and Tahiti styles, andErica loves Agolde's Parker take.

Summer shoes! On the sandal front, look to Message and Emme Parsons's folded slides. For chipped-pedicure days, Repetto, Drogheria Crivellini, Martiniano (for The Row-ish look), and Rothy's—they do a buzzed-about Mary Jane. Your open-toe mule fuel: Reike Nen (padded cut-out and woven and fringe!), Staud Simone and Janine, and Dries Van Noten (

On a T-shirt journey? We've been into Buck Mason, Flore Flore, Sunray, Sunspel, and The Great.

The button-up—under-appreciated summer savior! we like Alex Mill's Double-Button Shirt, Estella's Gemma, Chava Studio's custom (!!) designs (and their Madewell collab), and Citizens of Humanity's Kayla. For some styling tips, look to Leandra Medine, Amy Smilovic, and this YouTube tutorial.

Onto accessories that help you keep your cool! MoMA Design Store has exclusive colors of fans by Nishikawa Shoroku Shoten (at it since 1585!!!), and peppermint oil (Claire likes the De Mamiel Altitude Oil) works wonders.

As for HOT RAIN, maybe a garden clog is the answer?? Gardenheir has Italian AND French styles, and we also like the SeaVees Bodega and Birkenstock Super-Birki. Best lightweight rain jacket: Patagonia Houdini. Or should we lean into pochos, like the ones from Rainkiss, Rains, Stutterheim, and Puebco?

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Grabbing into a bag full of community-building opps, a fantastic celeb memoir, unhinged TikTok content, a hair-removal tool we're into, tulip hacks, and….juice marketing?

Our adventure at Peoplehood—more on that here—has us adding Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community by Robert D. Putnam to our reading list and thinking long and hard (too long, too hard?) about Amanda Mull's piece for The Atlantic on Bed Bath & Beyond's closing.

File Tell Me Everything: A Memoir by Minka Kelly alongside Demi Moore's Inside Out.

Check out the hashtag #Unhinged7thheaven on TikTok for a wild ride.

We endorse: Tweezerman's Smooth Finish Facial Hair Remover, this trick that makes tulips stand tall, and the copywriting going on over at Eager.

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Don't zone out just yet! This week we're talking about what we do during our "oblivion time" and fandoms of our past, present, and future.

Some fandom-related content: "The Bethenny Clause," the book Everything I Need I Get from You by Caitlin Tiffany, the article "'It Made Me Believe That Love Wasn't Real Anymore. And I Puked.' Swifties on Cornelia Street take the Joe Alwyn breakup news as well as you'd expect" by Rachel Handler for Vulture, and the article "Psychologists Say That Belonging To A Fandom Is Amazing For Your Mental Health" by Brianna Wiest for Teen Vogue. Also: our past convo about this (and concert specifically).

Also relevant to our personal fandoms: The Baby-Sitters Club and the fact that the artist Hodges Soileau is selling the original paintings of the covers, Gudetama (and his NYT Dining section coverage), and the My Best Friend's Wedding soundtrack.

We want to know: How are you filling your oblivion time? And do you have alarm clock recs?? Share them with us at 833-632-5463, [email protected], or @athingortwohq—or join our Geneva! For more recommendations, try out a Secret Menu membership.

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We're reminiscing about niche educational retail chains of our youth, making a case for pecans, and learning the rules of a hot girl walk (

Our research on Zany Brainy (which now has a nostalgic merch project) revived our affection for Sanrio, Klutz, Creativity for Kids, and Brain Quest.

Enter the The Nature Company v. Natural Wonders discourse via this YouTube video. Also, Buzzfeed's got a zesty take on a bunch o' bygone mall stores.

Onto pecans, the nut's nut. For pies, we rec the recipe in Stars Desserts by Emily Luchetti…and the one on the back of the Karo corn syrup bottle. Also for your consideration: Food52's flourless pecan cake, Smitten Kitchen's peach and pecan sandy crumble, NYT Cooking wok-fried asparagus and walnuts (subbing pecans), and Claire's breakfast combo of pecans + Cocojune yogurt + berries.

The hot girl walk comes to us via TikTok user Mia, @exactlyliketheothergirls. And walk, don't run, to the ample NYT walking coverage: "The Next Walk You Take Could Change Your Life," "A Little Motivation to Take a Walk," and "Whatever the Problem, It's Probably Solved by Walking."

The NY State bottle bill, fascinating stuff that we learned about from Rothy's. Related: The Guppyfriend washing bags to keep microplastics out of waterways.

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Judy Blume forever!! A rallying cry and also the name of an incredible doc we need you to watch. And, let's talk Thingies with Sue Chan, a tastemaker's tastemaker—if you'll allow it—who has all the event-hosting and condiment intel you need over at Care of Chan.

Plz watch the documentary Judy Blume Forever! And dig into Forever…, and Wifey with us?

For all your *entertaining needs*, check out Sue's site Care of Chan, which launches Thurs., April 27, with guides, interviews, and essays from chefs, florists, and producers to help us all feel more confident and comfortable with any sort of event-hosting we're taking on.

Sue's Thingies include condiments from The Japanese Pantry (specifically togarashi—also love us some Cabi and The Mala Market!), dried fruits from Yun Hai, masa from Masienda (their La Chicharra bowls, too), produce from Cookbook Los Angeles and the Hollywood Farmers' Market, a donabe from Toiro Kitchen, and custom stationery from Pettinaroli in Milan (for more gifting: Flamingo Estate). Some of her favorite restaurants for booking a six-top in NYC are Odeon, Omen Azen, and Lucien.

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This week's grab bag includes clearing a path for love, the country-music equivalent of The Great British Bake Off, beige rice, and, ya know, lots more.

Are you watching My Kind of Country? Start with Dhruv Visvanath's cover of "Ring of Fire."

Shout out to Chalo cowboy boots and this Brie Larson cover story for Harper's Bazaar for styling inspo.

Sam Youkilis's Instagram brought the topic of cutting citrus back to the podcast. See also: Priya Krishna and Connie Wang's essays about cut fruit as a culturally Asian love language.

An idea: Joe Holder's one-week-a-month reboot.

Cosigning a Jill Singers Thingie, The Rice Factory New York.

Liana Satenstein's piece in Vogue about Donna Karan gave us the Y2k fashion we want to embrace.

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If you're a new listener curious about our ~lore~, you're in luck! But before we discuss us, let's talk about you and some of the Thingies you've been evangelizing about on Instagram.

Moisturizing agents recommended by listeners include Dior Creme Abricot, Olive & June Overnight Hand Treatment, Dr. Hauschka Lip Care Stick, Weleda Skin Food, Everyday Oil, Brazilian BumBum Cream, Ouai Body Creme, Tubby Todd, Summer Solace Tallow, Lucas' Pawpaw Ointment, and tinted ChapStick. (Wait, sorry, did we know about custom ChapStick??)

Also you all shared beauty products we'd never heard of before, like Kate McLeod Sex Stone, Nicole Caroline Facial Ice Sphere Kit, Londontown Kur Illuminating Nail Concealer, and The Ordinary Brow Serum.

Earrings you can sleep in! From Maison Muri and Hey June. Also: clear earring backs for napping!!

What else are you obsessing over? Keyboard-cleaning goo like this stuff from Kikkerland, stain removers like Savon de Marseille and Grandma's Spot Remover, and salad dressings like the ones by Little Creek Dressing and the Gotham Greens Green Goddess.

People feel strongly about Oofos—are they the new Crocs?!

Our favorite Thingie of all? Bringing tea on a walk, leaving the mug in a random bush, and picking it back up later. Iconic.

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This week, we're covering pressing and important moments in culture (the Scandoval), products of innovation (seam rippers), gifting strategies, a revelatory cookbook all about leftovers, and a topic we can not let sit any longer: cute postage stamps.

If you're new to the Vanderpump Rules Cinematic Universe, we highly suggest Sexy Unique Podcast as a viewing companion.

Message Monsters stamps by Elise Gravel, a children's book author, are available on foreverstamps.net.

Museum Gel will secure breakables from gentle earthquakes (toddlers running around the house included).

To have your leftovers world rocked, we recommend The Everlasting Meal Cookbook: Leftovers A-Z by Tamar Adler, which is a companion to Love An Everlasting Meal: Cooking with Economy and Grace.

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May we discuss manicures, messes, and the intersection between manicures and messes and the social pressure to present as *having it all together*? Let's go.

On gel manicures: Uché Blackstock is going to keep getting them, and Claire is too—but now with Maniglovz to protect her hands from those UV lights (and with CND Shellac whenever she can).

For a one-coat at-home mani, Olive & June Cosmic, Pleasing Pearly Tops, and Dior Glow deliver a shimmery, sheer finish. A listener said Dazzle Dry is one of their Thingies, and multiple of y'all have called-out Londontown Kur Nail Concealer (Nailtiques. For setting yourself up for DIY success, arm yourself with Olive & June dry drops and the brand's clean up brush.

We have a lot of thoughts about mess, and so do some other people. Dig into For Scale's "Exquisite Chaos" installment, "Girl Clutter" by Molly Soda, "What If You Just Didn't Clean That Up?" by Kathryn Jezer-Morton for The Cut, and "This Trend Is a Mess" by Callie Holtermann for NYT. For a listen, check out "How to Keep House While Drowning" on Terrible, Thanks for Asking with guest KC Davis, the author of How to Keep House While Drowning: A Gentle Approach to Cleaning and Organizing.

Our convo also reminded us of the books All Joy and No Fun: The Paradox of Modern Parenthood by Jennifer Senior and In My Room: Teenagers in Their Bedrooms by Adrienne Salinger (a sampling of some of those pics here).

And a retaliation to the white-box era we've been living in can be found on @officialsadbeige.

For a clustercore explainer, we've got Better Homes & Gardens. For primo examples, we always think of friend-of-the-pod Rumaan Alam and David Land's collection of George Washington paintings in their dining room, and dip into Catherine Newman's home tour on A Cup of Jo.

Two messfluencers to know: Alix Earle and Julia Fox.

On the topic of digital messiness, how many tabs do you have open right now? Let us know at 833-632-5463, [email protected], or @athingortwohq—or join our Geneva! For more recommendations, try out a Secret Menu membership.

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Karla Welch, celeb stylist and co-founder of The Period Company, is here to talk Thingies, from life-changing books to an L.A. bagel worth a one-hour wait. Also, we dig into distraction…and deleting social-media accounts.

Re: the impact of social media on our societies, ourselves: Ten Arguments for Deleting Your Social Media Accounts Right Now by Jaron Lanier (and Zach Baron's GQ profile of Jaron), Digital Minimalism by Cal Newport (and David Marchese's NYT Mag interview with Cal, and (what's new?) Four Thousand Weeks by Oliver Burkeman.

Get your Karla Welch fix via her MasterClass on personal style and by shopping The Period Company, which now available at Walmart.

Karla's Thingies include Emergent Strategy by Adrienne Marie Brown (which made us think about Saving Time by Jenny Odell), Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow by Gabrielle Zevin, her client Sarah Polley (see also: Sarah's film Women Talking and her New Yorker profile), Rhode peptide lip treatment, the NYT Cooking app (follow this IG account for the full commenter experience), Erewhon's strawberry glaze smoothie, and Courage Bagels in L.A.

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