Radio 831: A Romance Podcast

Perhaps you've noticed that we won't shut up about romance novels? Well, this week we're chatting it up with Talia Hibbert, one of our favorite writers of the genre, about telling diverse stories, shaping conversations about consent, and writing good sex. But first: Does Erica have too many coffee devices? You be the judge.

The coffeemakers in Erica's rotation: Bodum French press, Nespresso Pixie (with Woken pods—but Nespresso ones are recyclable in NYC now. See also from the NYT on recycling legislation!), Gemini Espresso Maker (or a single-serving alt from GSI), and Copper Cow Coffee pour-overs.

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We're all about Talia Hibbert's Brown Sisters trilogy: Get a Life, Chloe Brown (her first traditionally published book), Take a Hint, Dani Brown, and Act Your Age, Eve Brown. Here for more, more, more of her writing.

To dive into the conversation around the lack of representation in the romance-novel world: this NYT article, this initiative and reporting from The Ripped Bodice, and a big blow-up re: Romance Writers of America (who were accused of racism) last year.

Other romance recs from Talia: Nalini Singh's Psy/Changeling series, Honey Girl by Morgan Rogers, the upcoming Kennedy Ryan release Reel, the work of KJ Charles, A Duke, the Lady, and a Baby by Vanessa Riley and its next installment, and The Jasmine Throne by Tasha Suri.

One movie romance rec: the latest Emma adaptation—pretty and funny, both!

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What bras, tahini, and shaving cream do we swear by? WELL! You've come to the right place. Before we get into our Thingies winners: a discussion of the absolute insanity of sprinkles in 2021.

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Some sprinkles context: a 2016 NYT funfetti article and the 2019 The Power of Sprinkles: A Cake Book by the Founder of Flour Shop.

Some sprinkles resources: Sweets Indeed Sprinklefetti (lightning bolts!), Supernatural (Field Day!), Fancy Sprinkles (Hey Jude—lolz!), Williams Sonoma Sprinkles, 1985, and Cakes by Kristi (Chips n' Guac Sprinkle Mix AND Poker Face) and Etsy just in general.

Round two Thingies winners!!! Negative Underwear non-wire bras (specifically in sieve mesh) and Chantelle underwire demi bras (read also: this rave from The Cut), Soom tahini (more on this podcast ep), Patagonia Down Sweater Hoody, RiseWell toothpaste, Gossamer CBD Dusk and Dawn (tune into this pod ep), Cremo shave cream, the prescription delivery service Capsule, Holy Schmitt's horseradish (try the cocktail sauce and/or horseradish mustard, too), and the Thermapen Mk4.

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Something we're quite sure of: what makes a good in-app workout instructor. Something we're quite unsure about: what our thirties are meant to look like in this day 'n age. Kayleen Schaefer has many, many thoughts on the latter. Tune in and then dig into her new book But You're Still So Young (yes, incredible title).

The on-demand fitness instructors who leap over the ridiculously high bar we've set: Melissa Wood of Melissa Wood Health, Coach Chris Bennett of the Nike Run Club app (a previous podcast guest!), Adriene Mishler of Yoga with Adriene (see also: this NYT Mag profile and this Reductress post about Benji the dog), and Robin Arzon and Matty Maggiacomo of the Peloton app.

Read Kayleen Schaefer's wonderful But You're Still So Young! And if you haven't already gobbled up Text Me When You Get Home, maybe it's your next book-club pick?

A few of Kayleen's "You May Also Like" recs: The New Better Off by Courtney E. Martin, Anne Helen Petersen's Buzzfeed piece on burnout and her book Can't Even, and Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert (also endorsed by Bad on Paper).

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If you're not already a devotee of Julia Turshen and her cookbooks—her latest, Simply Julia, is out next week!—well, consider this your initiation into the fan club. We're talking with her about "healthy" and "comfort"—loaded food words, for certain!—and because we're geniuses who knew this topic would make us hungry, we're starting things off with a snack taste test.

Ready for our chip chat? We're chomping on Annie Chun's Seaweed Crisps Go-Chu-Jang (perhaps with this miso dip), Beanfields Vegan Cracklins Chile Limón (not to be confused with Snacklins), and Lesser Evil Power Curls Fiery Hot (see also: its Paleo Puff cousin).

Julia Turshen's cookbooks—collect 'em all: Simply Julia (her new hit), Small Victories, Now & Again, and Feed the Resistance. She's also co-written gems like In Bibi's Kitchen, with Hawa Hassan, and The Hot Bread Kitchen Cookbook, with Jessamyn Waldman Rodriguez.

Dive into her Equity at the Table database project and her Keep Calm and Cook On podcast, too.

A few of Julia's favorite people in food: Mavis-Jay Sanders and Sicily Sierra Johnson, who run Food + People, Pati Jinich, who hosts the PBS cooking show Pati's Mexican Table, and Yewande Komolafe, whose recipes Julia trusts always.

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What a pleasure it is to bring you all Dr. Ben Michaelis, who we think of as ⅓ management coach, ⅓ therapist, and ⅓ couples counselor (at least in our case). We've been seeing this guy—together!—for five-ish years, and he's helped us to navigate much in our lives, professional and personal. Speaking of navigating, we're kicking-off the episode by answering an age-old question: "What sort of thank-you gift do I get my snake-sitter?!"

Oooh, boy, did we get a good gifting request: "Thank you for your friend who fed your pet snake weekly for 6 weeks. They like Phish." Here's where we landed: Fishman Donut Round Jigsaw Puzzle, Island Bamboo spoon sets and salt cellars, Na Nin incense cones, Boy Smells Kush candle, Debbie Carlos Curl Pipe (from Tetra), Edie Parker Flower stash case, Areaware Snake Block, Lorien Stern snake wall-hanging ceramic or plush snake sculpture (or bucket hat or hoodie), Ferm Living Mr. Snake cushion or fruiticana snake, Chen Chen and Kai Williams serpent lighter keychain, and Willa Heart snake prints and placemats.

Here's that snake opening a door video you were hoping for.

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What an educational ep: Erica teaches Claire about Craigslist scams, and Claire schools Erica on the wild, wild world of baby registries. (Can you want a leopard-print carrier and not an infant??)

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That cashier's check Craigslist scam!! Vox has an excellent explainer "Why Cashier's Checks Are Part of So Many Online Scams," and there's a WalletHub guide to various cashier's check scams and where to report them.

Consider donating to organizations like the National Diaper Bank Network or National Birth Equity Collaborative if you have the resources to be very persnickety about your baby registry.

Baby chairs and other places to put little people: BabyBjörn Bouncer (and its design-y comp: Betón Baby Bouncer), Charlie Crane Levo Rocker, Askr & Embla Sleep Pod (a prettier Dock-a-Tot), and Boppy with a custom cover (related: My Brest Friend).

Sleeping solutions: The Snoo (you can rent them!), Moses baskets (like one from Kind Label in a Jolly Jumper stand), cribs like the Ikea Sniglar or the Babyletto Hudson or ones from Nestig or the (very fancy) Kalon Caravan, and pack 'n plays from Guava Lotus or Graco or BabyBjörn.

Baby carriers: Colugo Carrier, Sakura Bloom Ring Sling (an alt to a Solly Baby Wrap), BabyBjörn Baby Carrier Mini, and the very fashion-y Artipoppe.

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The two of us think and talk a lot about ~the state of media~, and we figured it was about time we discussed it with a genuine expert. Enter stage left: the thoughtful and incredibly incisive Delia Cai, who writes the newsletter we always open Deez Links (and is a growth and trends editor at BuzzFeed by day—so clearly she's on top of all the things.) We also figured it was 'bout time to discuss Claire's experience with Whole30, at least as it relates to their insurrection content.

You can find the Whole30 insurrection statement right over here (the Jan. 7 post).

The BuzzFeed article titled "The Small-Town America I Love Is The One I See At Football Games" that first led Erica to Delia (shout-out Dunlap High School—go eagles!).

You gotta, gotta sign for Delia's newsletter Deez Links if you care about media (or good TikToks) at all. An adjacent, relevant newsletter: Today in Tabs.

For more on Substack, dive into Clio Chang's "The Substackerati" piece for CJR (and its discussion of Patrice Peck's Coronavirus News for Black Folks newletter) as well as Anna Wiener's "Is Substack the Media Future We Want?" for The New Yorker.

Writers Delia always reads: Taylor Lorenz, Doreen St. Félix, and Hua Hsu.

Two Deez Links installments we discuss: Delia's piece about a profile of Nick Quah and Hot Pod and a very LOLZy one about fantasy media men beefs.

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To answer the question of many a comedy-club promoter in Times Square: Yes, we do love to laugh. And one sure-fire way to get us howling is reading anything written by R. Eric Thomas—or chatting with the man himself, turns out. But up first: some toddler funny business.

A few toddler-relevant pieces of content: Bunheads by Misty Copeland, PBS's Remarkable Rabbits, and No-Drama Discipline by Daniel J Siegel and Tina Payne Bryson.

Please consume all the R. Eric Thomas you can! His memoir Here for It and the book he co-authored with Helena Andrews-Dyer about Maxine Waters, Reclaiming Her Time! His wonderful newsletter! All the past installments of his Elle.com column "Eric Reads the News!" (And stay tuned for much more, obviously.)

Some of Eric's memorist icons: David Rakoff (Fraud specifically), David Sedaris (see also: this Hugh Hamrick profile), Samantha Irby, and John Paul Brammer and his forthcoming book Hola Papi.

What pop culture Eric's consumed recently: Umbrella Academy, The Secret Lives of Church Ladies by Deesha Philyaw, Broadcast News, When Harry Met Sally (related: The Rewatchables podcast), Bridgerton, Veep, What We Do in the Shadows, The Office of Historical Corrections by Danielle Evans, and Nothing to See Here by Kevin Wilson. Claire and Erica would like to talk about Gremlins and Erin Brockovich also.

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We are nothing if not (professional) enthusiasts, and we figured it was 'bout time that we shared some products we think are best in category—from brow pencils to baby bouncers, dental floss to pasta. Join us for the Thingies! In the future, we hope our awards programming includes a red-carpet pre-show.

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Welks!!!!! What Urban Dictionary and Mindy Kaling have to contribute.

The divisive Danny Meyer tweet about Häagen-Dazs vanilla. (Sir did write the book Setting the Table that we like a lot.)

The Grub Street bucatini shortage article by Rachel Handler—the sort of coverage HDVB deserves.

The inaugural Thingies winners!!! Hellman's, Heinz, HDVB (duh, duh, duh). The Stutterheim raincoat. Dr. Tung's Smart Floss. BabyBjörn bouncer. Marvy Uchida Le Pen. Uniqlo HeatTech (the regular and ultra-warm leggings, the turtlenecks). Sania's Brow Bar pencil (and service!). Garofalo gluten-free pasta (casarecce specifically). Feetures running socks. Artifact Uprising (see: the baby board book, the layflat photo album, the baby book). Soapwalla deodorant (original or sensitive skin).

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Let's talk about depression—how we feel when it comes on and how we deal. Let's talk resources, from books to therapy platforms to IG follows, for anxiety, grief, bipolar disorder, and postpartum disorders. Let's just talk about mental health more in general, right?

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The things that have warmed our hearts a smidge during all of our time at home: a remote-control light dimmer and a calamansi tree (see also: calamansi seltzer from Sanzo + cocktails from Zuzu).

Podcasts featuring two people talking that feel kinda like having company: Jam Session, Who? Weekly, Home Cooking, Bad on Paper, Still Processing, and Taking Hugh for Granted.

Not-new fiction that's provided Erica with a genuine escape recently: I Capture the Castle by Dodie Smith (1948), Mrs. Bridge by Evan Connell (1955), Kindred by Octavia Butler (1979), and Heartburn by Nora Ephron (1983).

Mental-health resources! Some books: The Mindful Way Through Depression by Jon Kabat-Zinn; Comfortable with Uncertainty, When Things Fall Apart, and The Pocket Pema Chodron by Pema Chodron; and An Unquiet Mind by Kay Redfield Jamison.

Articles: "The Hardest Two Months of My Life" from A Cup of Jo, "How to Help Someone With Depression" from New York mag, and "How Not to Say the Wrong Thing" from LA Times.

Podcasts: Hey, Cool Life! with Mary H.K. Choi, Unlocking Us with Brené Brown, The Hilarious World of Depression, and Oprah's SuperSoul Conversations episode with Jon Kabat-Zinn.

Instagram follows: Jessica Clemons, MD, Emily McDowell, Crystal Anderson, Sad Girls Club, Brown Girl Therapy, The Loveland Foundation, and The Nap Ministry.

Meditation: the Insight Timer app, which is a marketplace of sorts, and UCLA Mindful Awareness Research Center Guided Meditations.

For therapy, check out Talkspace and BetterHelp for digital/telemedicine options and Alma and Real, which are about streamlining the process of finding a therapist you connect with.

If you or someone you know is considering suicide, call the National Suicide Prevention Hotline at 800-273-8255.

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