I’m so excited to introduce you to someone who has deeply influenced my work- Deb Wesselmann! Deb is a pioneer in integrating EMDR therapy with family therapy for children with early attachment trauma. In this episode, we chat about how Deb (and her colleagues) developed her attachment-focused EMDR model, why slow bilateral stimulation is so effective for complex trauma, and what it really means to create a secure holding environment for both kids and their parents. We also talk about the importance of therapists and other helpers doing their own work in therapy.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why Deb’s model of attachment-focused EMDR has transformed how we support children with early trauma
• The importance of helping both parents and children process trauma for lasting healing
• How bilateral stimulation, safety, and co-regulation come together in this powerful family therapy mode

Resources mentioned in this podcast:

• Learn more about Deb Wesselmann and her work: https://debrawesselmann.com/
• Register for Deb's upcoming online training in Attachment-Focused EMDR: https://debrawesselmann.com/#emdr-therapy
• Stay tuned for Deb and Christine Mark-Griffin’s upcoming EMDR workbook for kids, releasing in 2026!
• Learn more about EMDR Therapy: https://www.emdria.org

Read the full transcript at: RobynGobbel.com/emdrfamilytherapy

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Ongoing support, connection, and co-regulation for struggling parents: The Club
Year-Long Immersive & Holistic Training Program for Parenting Professionals: The Baffling Behavior Training Institute’s (BBTI) Professional Immersion Program (formerly Being With)

Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria (RSD) isn’t about being overly sensitive. It’s about a nervous system that experiences rejection as danger. In this episode, I explore RSD through the lens of relational neuroscience, attachment, memory, and regulation. Whether you see this in yourself or your child, this episode will help you understand why rejection feels so big, and what actually helps.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why RSD reactions are so intense and how they’re rooted in memory and nervous system states
• How attachment experiences shape our sensitivity to rejection
• What actually helps when RSD shows up (for you or your child), including co-regulation and self-compassion

Resources mentioned in this podcast:

• Trauma, Memory, & Behavior: Part 1 {EP 90}
• The Neurobiology of Toxic Shame {EP 119}
• 1% Better Is Enough. {EP 166}
• All Behavior Makes Sense {EP 198}

Read the full transcript at:RobynGobbel.com/rejectivesensitivity

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Webinar and eBook on Focus on the Nervous System to Change Behavior (FREE)
eBook on The Brilliance of Attachment (FREE)
LOTS & LOTS of FREE Resources
Ongoing support, connection, and co-regulation for struggling parents: The Club
Year-Long Immersive & Holistic Training Program for Parenting Professionals: The Baffling Behavior Training Institute’s (BBTI) Professional Immersion Program (formerly Being With)

Healing comes in all forms, including on farms, with horses, and of course, in relationship. My guest this week, Sara Sherman, is a graduate of the Baffling Behavior Training Institute’s Professional Immersion Program and the founder of Dandelion NeuroRelational Family Services in Minnesota. Sara and I have a delightful chat about what it means to bring relational healing to kids and families and how we can (and must!) think outside the box.

Read the full transcript at: RobynGobbel.com/neurorelational

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RobynGobbel.com/FreeResources

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Webinar and eBook on Focus on the Nervous System to Change Behavior (FREE)
eBook on The Brilliance of Attachment (FREE)
LOTS & LOTS of FREE Resources
Ongoing support, connection, and co-regulation for struggling parents: The Club
Year-Long Immersive & Holistic Training Program for Parenting Professionals: The Baffling Behavior Training Institute’s (BBTI) Professional Immersion Program (formerly Being With)

{Replay of Episode 169 from March 2024} Parenting with co-regulating and seeing below our kids behaviors is actually a privilege we rarely talk about. It’s always a privilege, but especially when we consider different marginalized and oppressed identities that a lot of kids- and those of you listening- intersectionally hold. 

In this episode, you’ll learn

• The definition of privilege (it is NOT a criticism)
• The privilege of safety for folks with histories of trauma
• The privilege of safety for folks with other marginalized and oppressed identities
• How this relates to parenting 

Resources mentioned in this podcast:

• Mr. Chazz 
  • https://www.mrchazz.com/
  • https://www.instagram.com/mrchazz/
• Yolanda Williams & Parenting Decolonized
  • https://www.instagram.com/prntgdcolonized/
• What Happened to You? By Bruce Perry & Oprah Winfrey

Read the full transcript at:RobynGobbel.com/privilege

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Webinar and eBook on Focus on the Nervous System to Change Behavior (FREE)
eBook on The Brilliance of Attachment (FREE)
LOTS & LOTS of FREE Resources
Ongoing support, connection, and co-regulation for struggling parents: The Club
Year-Long Immersive & Holistic Training Program for Parenting Professionals: The Baffling Behavior Training Institute’s (BBTI) Professional Immersion Program (formerly Being With)

What do you do when your child lives part-time in a home where regulation, connection, and felt safety aren't present? In this episode, I talk with Sybil Cummin, a therapist specializing in working with families navigating coercive control. Sybil shares practical guidance for showing up as a steady, safe presence for your child, even when the other parent’s home feels unpredictable or unsafe.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• What coercive control is and how it impacts both children and the parent trying to co-regulate.
• How to offer a felt sense of safety and connection, even when transitions are rocky.
• Why parents need safe spaces and support when navigating systems that require co-parenting with an unsafe partner.

Resources mentioned in this podcast:

• Rising Beyond PC! - Sybil's Website

Read the full transcript at: RobynGobbel.com/coercivecontrol

The Club is welcoming new members starting next Tuesday! Set yourself a calendar reminder and then head to RobynGobbel.com/TheClub on Tuesday so you can get instant access to a community, resources, and the change to pick Robyn's brain!

Applications for the 2026 cohorts of the Baffling Behavior Training Institute's Professional Immersion Program are now open! You MUST be on the waiting list to apply! Get on the waiting list at RobynGobbel.com/immersion

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You can download all sorts of free resources, including webinars, eBook, and infographics about topics such as lying, boundaries, and co-regulation!

RobynGobbel.com/FreeResources

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The All-About-Me workbook will help your child grow their owl brain and develop ways to calm their watchdog and possum brain. 24 page, full-color, instant download at RobynGobbel.com/store

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Over on my website you can find:
Webinar and eBook on Focus on the Nervous System to Change Behavior (FREE)
eBook on The Brilliance of Attachment (FREE)
LOTS & LOTS of FREE Resources
Ongoing support, connection, and co-regulation for struggling parents: The Club
Year-Long Immersive & Holistic Training Program for Parenting Professionals: The Baffling Behavior Training Institute’s (BBTI) Professional Immersion Program (formerly Being With)

Part of why you keep listening to this podcast is for parenting tools and strategies, right?? So, what do we do when it feels like nothing is working?!

What’s really going on when parenting tools feel useless and you want to shout “THIS ISN’T WORKING?!

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why parenting tools “work” when they come from connection, not protection
• What to ask yourself when it seems like nothing helps anymore
• How to know if your child’s needs have outpaced the support you can give on your own

Resources mentioned in this podcast:

• When Your Nervous System is Fried Infographic
• Mini Pep Talk for When You Feel Like You're Failing {EP 220}

Read the full transcript at: RobynGobbel.com/tools

The Club is welcoming new members starting next Tuesday! Set yourself a calendar reminder and then head to RobynGobbel.com/TheClub on Tuesday so you can get instant access to a community, resources, and the change to pick Robyn's brain!

Applications for the 2026 cohorts of the Baffling Behavior Training Institute's Professional Immersion Program are now open! You MUST be on the waiting list to apply! Get on the waiting list at RobynGobbel.com/immersion

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Grab a copy of my book Raising Kids with Big, Baffling Behaviors robyngobbel.com/book

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Over on my website you can find:
Webinar and eBook on Focus on the Nervous System to Change Behavior (FREE)
eBook on The Brilliance of Attachment (FREE)
LOTS & LOTS of FREE Resources
Ongoing support, connection, and co-regulation for struggling parents: The Club
Year-Long Immersive & Holistic Training Program for Parenting Professionals: The Baffling Behavior Training Institute’s (BBTI) Professional Immersion Program (formerly Being With)

I know- sometimes it feels impossible to feel delight toward your child. I get it! 

BUT! If you can find even micro-moments of delight, it can be very powerful for both you and your child. 

In this episode, you'll learn:

• How is delight related to secure attachment
• The science behind why it’s sometimes very hard to find delight in kids with vulnerable nervous systems 
• How to intentionally look for and pause in moments of delight
• Why delight doesn’t just help your child, but your nervous system too
  
  

Resources mentioned in this podcast:

• Titrating Connection- Oppositional Series Part 4 {EP 159}

Read the full transcript at: RobynGobbel.com/delight

The Club is welcoming new members starting next Tuesday! Set yourself a calendar reminder and then head to RobynGobbel.com/TheClub on Tuesday so you can get instant access to a community, resources, and the change to pick Robyn's brain!

Applications for the 2026 cohorts of the Baffling Behavior Training Institute's Professional Immersion Program are now open! You MUST be on the waiting list to apply! Get on the waiting list at RobynGobbel.com/immersion

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Grab a copy of my book Raising Kids with Big, Baffling Behaviors robyngobbel.com/book

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Over on my website you can find:
Webinar and eBook on Focus on the Nervous System to Change Behavior (FREE)
eBook on The Brilliance of Attachment (FREE)
LOTS & LOTS of FREE Resources
Ongoing support, connection, and co-regulation for struggling parents: The Club
Year-Long Immersive & Holistic Training Program for Parenting Professionals: The Baffling Behavior Training Institute’s (BBTI) Professional Immersion Program (formerly Being With)

When your child’s behavior leaves you feeling confused, frustrated, or even hopeless, staying curious might be the last thing on your mind. 

But curiosity is actually SO COOL! It’s both a parenting strategy AND a nervous system state. 

In this episode, we’ll explore how to access curiosity, even when behavior makes no sense, and how that curiosity helps us find the path forward.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why curiosity is a sign your owl brain is online, and how to use curiosity to invite your owl brain back when it’s not
• A powerful question to shift your lens from “what’s wrong?” to “what’s needed?”
• How baffling behavior can reveal clues about what regulation, safety, or connection your child is missing?

Resources mentioned in this podcast:

• Not flipping your lid...when your kid flips theirs {EP 10}

Read the full transcript at: RobynGobbel.com/staycurious

The Club is welcoming new members starting next Tuesday! Set yourself a calendar reminder and then head to RobynGobbel.com/TheClub on Tuesday so you can get instant access to a community, resources, and the change to pick Robyn's brain!

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Grab a copy of my book Raising Kids with Big, Baffling Behaviors robyngobbel.com/book

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Over on my website you can find:
Webinar and eBook on Focus on the Nervous System to Change Behavior (FREE)
eBook on The Brilliance of Attachment (FREE)
LOTS & LOTS of FREE Resources
Ongoing support, connection, and co-regulation for struggling parents: The Club
Year-Long Immersive & Holistic Training Program for Parenting Professionals: The Baffling Behavior Training Institute’s (BBTI) Professional Immersion Program (formerly Being With)

When you're dealing with whining, hitting, defiance, back talk…well, of course you want it to stop. But what if behavior change isn’t actually the place to start? Not for long-term behavior change, at least. 

In this episode, I explore why behavior change does matter, but why it’s not the first goal, especially for kids with vulnerable nervous systems.

HEADS UP! I’m not necessarily asking YOU- the one facing these out of control behaviors- to change your goal of behavior change. But…what if the people who are helping you could stay focused on that truth?!

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why all behavior makes sense—even the baffling kind
• What happens when we shift from changing behavior to addressing the nervous system
• How holding two truths at once helps you feel more regulated, even in hard moments

Resources mentioned in this podcast:

• All Behavior Makes Sense {EP 198}
• Focus on the Nervous System to Change Behavior {Ep 84}
• Focus on the Nervous System to Change Behavior - Webinar and eBook

Read the full transcript at:RobynGobbel.com/BehaviorChange

The Club is welcoming new members starting next Tuesday! Set yourself a calendar reminder and then head to RobynGobbel.com/TheClub on Tuesday so you can get instant access to a community, resources, and the change to pick Robyn's brain!

Applications for the 2026 cohorts of the Baffling Behavior Training Institute's Professional Immersion Program are now open! You MUST be on the waiting list to apply! Get on the waiting list at RobynGobbel.com/immersion

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Grab a copy of my book Raising Kids with Big, Baffling Behaviors robyngobbel.com/book

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Over on my website you can find:
Webinar and eBook on Focus on the Nervous System to Change Behavior (FREE)
eBook on The Brilliance of Attachment (FREE)
LOTS & LOTS of FREE Resources
Ongoing support, connection, and co-regulation for struggling parents: The Club
Year-Long Immersive & Holistic Training Program for Parenting Professionals: The Baffling Behavior Training Institute’s (BBTI) Professional Immersion Program (formerly Being With)

Have you ever freaked out at your child and then later thought, “Where did that come from?” Yup, that’s being triggered!

In this episode, we’ll unpack the neuroscience behind why we get triggered, what memory processing has to do with it, and how to find your way back to presence and connection.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• The anatomy of a trigger
• What’s actually happening in your brain when the past takes over the present
• What to do next- how to help your owl brain come back and parent in the here-and-now

Resources mentioned in this podcast:

• All Behavior Makes Sense {EP 198}
• Trauma, Memory & Behavior: Part 1 {EP 90}
• Trauma, Memory, Behavior video series 

Read the full transcript at: RobynGobbel.com/trigger

The Club is welcoming new members starting next Tuesday! Set yourself a calendar reminder and then head to RobynGobbel.com/TheClub on Tuesday so you can get instant access to a community, resources, and the change to pick Robyn's brain!

Applications for the 2026 cohorts of the Baffling Behavior Training Institute's Professional Immersion Program are now open! You MUST be on the waiting list to apply! Get on the waiting list at RobynGobbel.com/immersion

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Grab a copy of my book Raising Kids with Big, Baffling Behaviors robyngobbel.com/book

Join us in The Club for more support! robyngobbel.com/TheClub

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Over on my website you can find:
Webinar and eBook on Focus on the Nervous System to Change Behavior (FREE)
eBook on The Brilliance of Attachment (FREE)
LOTS & LOTS of FREE Resources
Ongoing support, connection, and co-regulation for struggling parents: The Club
Year-Long Immersive & Holistic Training Program for Parenting Professionals: The Baffling Behavior Training Institute’s (BBTI) Professional Immersion Program (formerly Being With)