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There's a belief in recruitment that scaling a firm means scaling headcount.
Dave Fox has built a different model. His fully remote technology staffing firm, Focus GTS, generates more than $10 million in annual revenue with a team of just 11 people.
Early on, Dave assumed he would need 80 to 100 people to build the business he wanted. He also thought a 360 model and broader market coverage would be the right path. Over time, he found a different way to grow: stay close to one specialist market, build a split-desk team of strong people, and make AI part of how the whole business works.
Dave is the founder of Focus GTS, a Miami-based technology staffing firm that specializes in the Adobe Marketing Cloud ecosystem. He started in recruitment with the S3 Group, working his way from trainee consultant to manager and director before launching his own business eight years ago.
In this conversation, Dave explains why he is done with the "chase game" of constantly pursuing new opportunities. His focus now is on becoming so useful and well-known in his market that clients and candidates come to him.
That means creating free tools that solve real problems, publishing useful content, and using AI research agents to stay close to key customers. It also means giving every member of his 11-person team access to Claude and Claude Code, then creating a culture where people share what they are learning.
Dave is not suggesting AI is a shortcut to success. He spends 50 to 60 hours a week learning and building with it. But he makes a strong case that agency owners need to rethink the old relationship between headcount, growth, and productivity.
In this episode, you'll learn:
Episode highlights:
Sponsors:
This episode is brought to you by Recruiterflow, an AI-native ATS and CRM built for serious recruiting businesses. Learn more: https://recruitmentcoach.com/recruiterflow
It is also brought to you by Juicebox, the modern AI platform for recruiting. Juicebox combines more than 30 datasets with AI models to support search, outreach, and pipeline management within a single workflow. Learn more: https://recruitmentcoach.com/juicebox
Guest Bio:
Dave Fox is the founder of Focus GTS, a fully remote technology staffing firm based in Miami. Focus GTS generates more than $10 million in annual revenue with a team of 11 and has been recognized on the Inc. 5000 list. Dave and his team specialize in the Adobe Marketing Cloud ecosystem and use AI across research, marketing, sales, website development, and client delivery.
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David Paffenholz never worked as a recruiter. He studied economics at Harvard, led growth at Snap, and built a couple of consumer products with his co-founder, Ishan, before the two of them turned their attention to hiring. What they noticed was that most of the recruiting tech stack is built for candidates who are already in the funnel, while the harder and more valuable problem sits right at the top: finding the right people and getting them to reply.
The platform they built, Juicebox, is now used by more than 5,000 customers, and around 40% of them run AI agents that source candidates autonomously for open roles. One agent per role. Each learns from your feedback, sources a set number of new candidates every day, and tells you when the talent pool needs a different approach.
In this special sponsored episode, David walks Mark through what that looks like on a real desk. He covers the four-step outreach sequence Juicebox recommends, why generic AI-written emails hurt response rates and how to keep yours sounding like you, and how the platform searches and ranks candidates without a LinkedIn Recruiter seat. He also makes the case that recruiting will start to look more like executive search, with agents handling the research and sourcing while recruiters spend their time where they create the most value: building trust with candidates and clients.
He also shares the honest version of building the company, including the two difficult years when it was just him and Ishan, before Juicebox found momentum.
In this episode, you'll discover:
Episode highlights:
Podcast Partner
This special episode is sponsored by Juicebox, the AI recruiting platform that helps recruiters find and reach the right candidates. Book a demo: recruitmentcoach.com/juicebox
About David Paffenholz
David Paffenholz is the co-founder and CEO of Juicebox, an AI recruiting platform used by more than 5,000 customers to find and reach candidates. He studied economics at Harvard and led growth at Snap. He and his co-founder, Ishan, built several consumer products before founding Juicebox, which went through Y Combinator in 2022.
Connect with Mark
Free 30-minute strategy call: recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/mwhitby
Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach
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What separates recruiters building momentum from those whose desks are quietly drifting?
Benjamin Mena has recorded more than 300 episodes of The Elite Recruiter Podcast. Mark Whitby has done the same with The Resilient Recruiter. Between them, they have interviewed hundreds of high-performing recruiters and repeatedly seen the same success patterns.
Ben begins this conversation with an honest admission. His recruiting revenue had been drifting. It was not collapsing, but his attention had become divided and the work he should have completed months earlier had not happened.
That changed the conversation. Ben and Mark were not simply identifying what elite recruiters do. They were examining why proven fundamentals remain difficult to execute, even when you know exactly what they are.
"The wealth in our industry is built on going day after day, doing the most boring basics."
In This Episode, You'll Learn:
Episode Highlights:
About Benjamin Mena
Benjamin Mena is the host of The Elite Recruiter Podcast and Managing Partner of Select Source Solutions, an executive search firm specializing in federal recruiting for government contractors.
Ben has 20 years of recruiting experience across major defense contracts and complex federal programs. Through his podcast, recruiter community and virtual summits, he brings together top billers, firm owners and industry leaders to share what is working on the desk.
Connect With Benjamin Mena
The Elite Recruiter Podcast: https://www.eliterecruiterpodcast.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjaminmena/
If you want to build a recruitment desk around disciplined execution, market authority and relationships that compound, this episode is a must-listen.
Podcast Partners
This episode is brought to you by Recruiterflow — an AI-first ATS and CRM with built-in data enrichment. Book a demo at recruitmentcoach.com/recruiterflow.
Free Resources
Recruitment Freedom Scorecard: https://mark-rf1pexbm.scoreapp.com/
Book a free 30-minute strategy call: https://recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/
Connect With Mark Whitby
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markwhitby/
Twitter: @MarkWhitby
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/RecruitmentCoach/
Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach
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Most recruiters know they should be using AI more. What they don't know is where to start, what to connect, and what it costs. Reyhan Khan makes all of that concrete.
Reyhan runs RecruiterGTM and has spent the last 60 days setting up Claude for 35 recruitment agencies. He's based in Lisbon, originally from Pakistan, and spent years running operations for US agencies before launching his own business. He places offshore talent from South Africa, Pakistan, and Latin America into recruitment agencies, which means he operates as a recruiter himself and follows the same process he teaches.
In this episode, Reyhan walks through the complete setup: how to connect your ATS, outreach tools, and data sources into Claude so you can run BD, sourcing, and outreach from a single screen. He covers honest tool reviews, a full tech stack cost breakdown, and the three moves to make first if you want results this month, including one approach most recruiters have never considered.
In this episode:
Episode Highlights:
Listen: https://recruitmentcoach.com/podcast/
Podcast Partner: Recruiterflow, an AI-first ATS and CRM with built-in agents. https://recruitmentcoach.com/recruiterflow
Free Resources: Take the 7-Figure Freedom Scorecard at https://recruitmentcoach.com/scorecard or book a free strategy session at https://recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/
About Reyhan Khan: Reyhan Khan runs RecruiterGTM, helping recruitment agencies build go-to-market systems using AI and Claude. Over the course of his career, he moved from electrical engineering to freelance copywriting to Head of Operations at a US agency, before spending two and a half years coaching recruitment agencies. He now lives in Lisbon, Portugal, where he places offshore talent and helps agencies build AI-enabled recruiting systems. Find him on LinkedIn or at recruitergtm.com.
Connect with Reyhan:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/reyhankhann/
Website: recruitergtm.com
Connect with Mark Whitby:
Free 30-minute strategy call: www.recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/
Mark on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mwhitby/
Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter: https://recruitmentcoach.com/podcast/
What are the top 1% of recruiters doing differently to win new business in 2026? That's exactly what Mark Whitby wanted to find out. So instead of interviewing one guest, he brought together three Pinnacle Society members for a live panel discussion in front of more than 100 recruiters.
Jen Meyer is Chief Revenue Officer at Govig and Associates, a firm doing $12 to $15 million a year. Mike Williams built Carnegie Search into a team of 15 and billed $1.5 million last year. Pree Sarkar runs a global firm from Sydney focused on go-to-market hiring for scale-ups and AI companies.
They run successful businesses in very different markets, but there were surprising similarities in how they approach business development. Jen explained why companies going through layoffs can become some of your best client opportunities. Mike shared the simple accountability system that keeps his team on the phones every day. And Pree broke down the 90-day framework that led to seven of his last 10 client agreements.
If you're relying on referrals and repeat business, this conversation is a reminder that the best recruiters never stop building a pipeline.
In this episode:
Episode Highlights:
[00:00] Intro
[04:49] Why reputation and relationships won't build a repeatable pipeline
[05:28] Jen targets companies that are downsizing, and why it works
[09:56] Mike on why accountability beats good intentions
[11:23] The fifteen-calls-a-day spreadsheet system explained
[14:11] Why Mike builds every prospect list by hand
[16:00] The company size sweet spot for director-level roles
[16:51] Pree's three pillars: Brand, Win, Grow
[18:35] Nets, seeds and spears explained
[25:23] What each panellist would do starting over from zero
[30:37] Why one hundred calls a day still matters in 2026
[35:10] Ad calls versus target company calls, and the fee difference
[45:00] Becoming "the recruiter for all seasons"
[57:50] The one metric Jen says to measure every Friday
Podcast Partner
Recruiterflow: AI-first ATS and CRM with built-in agents.
https://recruitmentcoach.com/recruiterflow
About the Guests
Jen Meyer is Chief Revenue Officer at Govig and Associates, leading all business development. She has been in the industry for nearly 30 years, including 14 years running her own firm.
Mike Williams is the founder of Carnegie Search, an engineering recruitment firm in Charlotte, North Carolina, with a team of 15.
Pree Sarkar runs a global recruitment firm from Sydney focused on software sales and go-to-market hiring for startups, scale-ups and AI companies.
Connect with the Guests
Jen Meyer on LinkedIn
Mike Williams on LinkedIn
Pree Sarkar on LinkedIn
Connect with Mark Whitby
Get your free 30-minute strategy call: https://recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/
Mark on LinkedIn | Twitter: @MarkWhitby | Facebook | Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach
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LinkedIn has changed how it decides who sees your content, and many recruiters are feeling the impact. Reach is down for most creators, engagement is changing, and tactics that worked a year ago are becoming less effective.
Richard van der Blom has spent years studying those changes. His annual LinkedIn Algorithm Insights Report is now in its seventh edition, built from the analysis of 1.3 million LinkedIn posts published in the first half of 2026. His latest research suggests LinkedIn has fundamentally shifted from rewarding who you know to rewarding what you want to be known for.
In this episode, Richard explains what those changes mean for recruiters, how topic fingerprinting influences your visibility, why random posting is hurting more than helping, and how AI is changing the way LinkedIn evaluates content. He also shares the four content pillars behind high-performing posts, why newsletters are becoming one of LinkedIn's most underused tools, and what recruiters should change now to stay visible.
In this episode, you'll discover:[04:47] LinkedIn's shift from a relationship graph to an interest graph
[08:41] Topic fingerprinting and why your profile matters
[19:19] The four content pillars behind successful LinkedIn content
[38:38] Which LinkedIn formats are performing best in 2026
[43:27] The LinkedIn Loop Cycle explained
[48:05] AI detection on LinkedIn and the reach penalty
About RichardRichard van der Blom is the founder of Just Connecting, a LinkedIn training and consultancy agency. He has been helping businesses use LinkedIn since 2010 and has published the LinkedIn Algorithm Insights Report every year since 2020. His latest report analyzes 1.3 million LinkedIn posts and is widely referenced by organizations including Salesforce, PwC, and Nestlé.
Connect with Richard:
Connect with Mark Whitby:
Free Strategy Session:
https://recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/
LinkedIn:
https://linkedin.com/in/mwhitby
Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach
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Recruiters don't need AI to replace conversations with candidates or clients. They need AI to give them more time for those conversations. That's the philosophy Jordan Shlosberg has built his entire business around.
Jordan is the founder of Atlas, an AI-first CRMx built for recruitment agencies. Before Atlas, he built proSapient, an expert network platform, scaling it to $40 million in revenue and 300 people across four or five offices before stepping back from the business in 2022.
In this episode, Jordan explains where AI is already helping recruiters bill more, and where he thinks it has no place at all. He argues that business development, not delivery, is the real constraint on agency growth. He also shares why he uses Claude alongside his CRM to run his own business, and the simple test he applies to every new piece of technology. If you've been experimenting with AI but aren't sure how to turn that into more billings, this conversation gives you a clear way to think about it.
In this episode, you'll discover:
Episode highlights:
00:54 From building proSapient to $40 million to launching Atlas
08:23 The hiring mistake that dropped Jordan's Glassdoor score to 2.2
30:18 Where AI is genuinely good in recruitment today, and where it isn't
34:20 Why Jordan uses Claude over ChatGPT to run his own business
47:19 The search Atlas can run that no one else can do yet
59:39 Why business development, not delivery, is the real constraint on growth
Podcast Partner: This episode is sponsored by Atlas, the AI-first CRMx built for recruitment agencies. For more information, visit recruitmentcoach.com/atlas.
About Jordan: Jordan Shlosberg is the founder and CEO of Atlas, an AI-first CRMx built for recruitment agencies. He previously founded proSapient, an expert network platform, which he built to $40 million in revenue and 300 people across four or five offices before stepping back from the business in 2022.
Connect with Jordan:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordanshlosberg/
https://recruitwithatlas.com/
Connect with Mark:
Free 30-minute strategy call: recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/mwhitby
Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach
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Emily Audibert billed $1.29 million in 2025. She did it while eight and a half months pregnant with her third child, living in a 750-square-foot cottage for six months during a home renovation with her husband, two young boys, and a 70-pound dog.
Emily is the founder of EA Associates, a search firm specializing in go-to-market roles. The year before, she'd billed $800K. She knew she was capable of billing seven figures, but a bad RPO client was quietly eating the difference. She came home from a conference determined to make some changes, fired the client, worked with her sister, Amanda, to overhaul her processes and technology, and by spring had landed a major new contract.
In this episode, Emily walks through that whole sequence, along with the early years of her career, including five failed attempts at the same CPA exam before she ever considered recruiting, and the moment she stopped copying her trainer's script and started sounding like herself on the phone. Today, she's off the phone by 4:30 most afternoons to be with her kids, and she explains exactly how her business is built to make that possible.
In this episode, you'll discover:
Episode highlights:
02:26 Life with three kids under five
08:13 How 2025 became her breakthrough year
09:01 The RPO client she fired
14:41 Failing the CPA exam five times before finding recruitment
21:54 From $80K to $390K in year two
26:46 Finding her own voice on the phone
46:04 Why hiring her sister as integrator changed everything
52:43 A great RPO versus one you should fire
Podcast Partner: This episode is brought to you by Recruiterflow, the AI-first ATS and CRM built for recruitment agencies and search firms. recruitmentcoach.com/recruiterflow
Free Resources:
7-Figure Freedom Scorecard: https://mark-rf1pexbm.scoreapp.com/
Book a Strategy Session: recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/
About Emily: Emily Audibert is the founder of EA Associates, a search firm specializing in go-to-market roles across marketing and sales. She began her career at Hobson Associates, trained under Danny Cahill, and has spent nearly 10 years in recruiting. She was inducted into the Pinnacle Society in 2025. That same year, she billed $1.29 million, up from $800K the year before.
Connect with Emily:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilyaudibert/
https://ea.associates/
Connect with Mark:
Free 30-minute strategy call: recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/mwhitby
Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach
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How many search assignments have you turned down because they were outside your niche, outside your geography, or you simply didn't have the capacity?
In this special sponsored panel episode, Mark Whitby is joined by Heather Gardner, Jeff McGraw, and Jen Anderson from NPA Worldwide to discuss how split-fee partnerships help independent recruiters make more placements without taking on more clients.
Heather made six split placements in her first year with NPA Worldwide. Jen has completed more than 55 split placements over the past decade. Jeff has been making split placements since 1994. Together, they explain how split fees work, how to build trusted recruiting partnerships, and how collaboration has helped them fill searches they would otherwise have declined.
What You'll Learn:
Timestamps:
00:00 Why recruiters turn away good search assignments
07:45 How split fee partnerships work
10:43 Heather's first year: six split placements
22:16 Jeff's optics engineer success story
26:10 How to qualify a split opportunity
28:57 The university client Jen won with a partner's help
37:39 Why collaboration beats competition
45:57 What makes a great split recruiting partner
Guest Panel
Heather Gardner is the owner of High Sierra Talent in California and made six split placements during her first year with NPA Worldwide.
Jeff McGraw is with William Charles Search Group in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and has been making split placements through NPA Worldwide since 1994.
Jen Anderson is the owner of Prestige Recruiting Firm in Clearwater, Florida. She has been an NPA Worldwide member for 10 years, has completed more than 55 split placements, and currently serves on the NPA Worldwide Americas Board.
If you've ever turned down work because it sat outside your specialty, this conversation will change how you think about the next one.
This episode is sponsored by NPA Worldwide, a global, member-owned network of independent recruiters built around split fee placements.
Learn more about NPA Worldwide: https://npaworldwide.com
Mark Whitby: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markwhitby/
The Resilient Recruiter: https://www.recruitmentcoach.com/podcast/
Michael Chambers didn't come into recruitment through the usual route.
Before becoming a recruiter, he spent eight years running a bakery with his mother in Charlotte, North Carolina. Then his father passed away from cancer, leaving behind a recruiting business that had barely gotten started. Michael decided to take it over despite having no recruiting experience.
A few years later, after navigating Covid, relocating across the country, and completely changing niches, Michael relaunched his business in manufacturing and battery recruitment across the Southeast United States.
By month two, he was billing $100,000 a month as a solo recruiter.
His business development strategy is unlike anything we've featured on the podcast before.
Michael combines the Dream 100 methodology with personalized market intelligence reports, handwritten notes, LinkedIn videos, voice messages, phone calls, and in-person visits. In one campaign discussed on the show, 25 personalized mailers generated 15 responses and 10 booked conversations.
He even shows up at target companies with cakes featuring their logo printed in icing.
In this conversation, Michael breaks down exactly how the system works, why he went all-retained after Covid, how he built a niche in the Southeast Battery Belt, and why giving away value before asking for anything has become the foundation of his business.
What You'll Learn• How Michael went from bakery owner to a six-figure monthly recruiting desk
• Why he switched to a retained-only business model
• The complete Dream 100 campaign and follow-up sequence
• How personalized market intelligence reports open doors with target clients
• Why physical mail still works in a digital world
• How AI helps him create highly customized reports efficiently
• The thinking behind his two-year replacement guarantee
• How he became known as a specialist in battery manufacturing recruitment
Timestamps[1:24] Michael's unusual route into recruitment
[8:23] Taking over his father's recruiting business
[15:21] Starting in 2019 and navigating Covid
[17:47] Going all-retained and becoming more selective
[21:51] Sending market intelligence before pitching anything
[28:14] Relocating and relaunching in the Battery Belt
[29:38] Billing $100K/month from month two as a solo recruiter
[39:28] Why physical mailers outperform digital outreach
[47:22] Dream 100 campaign breakdown: 25 mailers, 15 responses, 10 conversations
[53:09] Showing up unannounced with a logo-printed cake
[58:59] Inside a 30-page market intelligence report
[1:00:38] The two-year replacement guarantee
About Michael ChambersMichael Chambers is the founder of The Chambers Group, a retained search firm focused on manufacturing, operations, aerospace, and semiconductor recruitment across the Southeast United States. He entered recruitment in 2019 after taking over the business his father had started before his passing. Today, he specializes in helping manufacturing organizations hire critical leadership and operational talent across the Southeast Battery Belt.
Connect with Mark WhitbyFree Strategy Session:
recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session
7-Figure Freedom Scorecard:
recruitmentcoach.com/scorecard
LinkedIn:
linkedin.com/in/mwhitby
Instagram:
@RecruitmentCoach
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