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After Anthropic quietly shipped a Figma competitor and handed Figma only a basic version of its updated design tool, Eric and Neil dig into the David Sachs warning that is rattling founders: feed the frontier labs all your context and data, and you hand them everything they need to compete with you. They walk through why Claude keeps your context after you leave, why GLM 5.2 on Open Router runs a fraction of the cost, and Microsoft's 2.5 billion dollar "your data is your data" pitch. The conversation turns to the forward deployed marketer, the two clashing cultures inside every agency right now, and why some AI-forward shops are trading at more than 30 times profit. Eric even demos the business video game he built over a weekend. The tools are incredible, but whose competitor you become depends on what you give away.

Key takeaways

◾Whoever holds your context and data can build your competitor

◾Open weights like GLM 5.2 buy you control and far lower cost

◾AI native is a culture, not a tool your team quietly ignores

Chapters

00:00 Who controls your AI stack

00:22 Anthropic undercuts Figma

00:38 David Sachs on AI sovereignty

01:28 Why Claude keeps your context

01:51 Open weights save money and control

02:11 The Figma board bombshell

03:26 Microsoft's $2.5B data promise

04:12 Trusting the frontier labs less

05:35 GLM 5.2 and Open Router

06:03 Eric's business video game

09:27 The forward deployed marketer

10:42 Two cultures under one roof

12:54 AI as truth revealer

13:52 Agency valuations getting cut

15:04 Buying agencies for 2x profit

18:02 When you still need account managers

20:50 Marketing region by region

21:41 The relationship-first culture

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