Cutting Against The Grain

By Laura Spath and Judy Cho

Alternative Health

What's Cutting Against The Grain about?

Cutting Against the Grain is a podcast by Judy Cho (Nutrition with Judy) and Laura Spath. Both Judy and Laura understand the struggle when it comes to ideal eating and real-life. In this podcast, these two friends share real talk about the world around them, especially topics around meat-based nutrition, diet, wellness, mental health, and community. Weekly, they explore hot topics in the nutrition and wellness space while sharing their own, real experiences. If you're craving some real talk without any online filters, this podcast is for you.

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Raw vs. Cooked – The Risk o...

08.10.2022

In this episode, Laura and Judy chat about raw vs. cooked meat and the implications of striving and advocating for perfection.Raw vs. cooked historicallyRaw vs cooked studiesStool testsBacteria in taw meatPlant-based proteinsGut imbalancesNutritional deficienciesPerfect carnivoreWorking with individualsReal life, real talk_____ ...

Cutting Against The Grain episodes:

08.10.2022 Raw vs. Cooked – The Risk of Perfection In this episode, Laura and Judy chat about raw vs. cooked meat and the implications of striving and advocating for perfection.Raw vs. cooked historicallyRaw vs cooked studiesStool testsBacteria in taw meatPlant-based proteinsGut imbalancesNutritional deficienciesPerfect carnivoreWorking with individualsReal life, real talk_____ ...
08.03.2022 Life Updates and Introducing Nutriment In this episode, Laura and Judy chat about life updates and Carnivore Cure’s Food Database – Nutriment.Laura’s updatesMaking it one day at a timeMental fortitudeOvercoming fears and food addictionThe right community and stepping stonesWorst case scenarioLaura’s new bossKids’ school updatesIn-person ...
07.27.2022 Carnivore Differences: Men vs. Women with Chris Spath In this episode, Laura and Judy chat with Chris Spath about his experience with carnivore. Can men eat leaner protein?Defining satietyIs weight loss easier for men?Carbs more tolerable for men?ElectrolytesWeight loss storiesGround beef vs steakFinding what works for youReverse dietingTips ...
07.20.2022 The Truth about Alcohol In this episode, Laura and Judy explore alcohol on a low carb diet. Is alcohol “okay” on carnivore?Alcohol and weight lossDefining alcoholismHow alcohol breaks down in the bodyAcetaldehydeFoods with acetaldehydeSleep and alcoholWhy you pee a lot with alcoholLightweight as a ...
07.13.2022 KetoCon 2022 Recap and Are You Eating Enough? In this episode, Laura and Judy chat about KetoCon and the Carnivore panel. Highlights of KetoCon 2022Agenda against meatThe power of a panelCarnivore panelEat when you’re hungry, stop when you’re full—In contextThe cost of meat_____ RESOURCES:KetoConNwJ Podcast - Brian Sanders ...
07.06.2022 Ask Laura and Judy Anything Part 2 In this episode, Laura and Judy answer your pressing questions. How much meat to start with? Does the amount of activity impact the amount of protein? How to get in more protein when restricting calories for so long? Why do ...
06.29.2022 CIRS Deep Dive (If Carnivore isn’t Fully Working) In this episode, Laura and Judy do a deeper dive into Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS). If you struggle with chronic illness or a chronic autoimmune illness, make sure to check out this podcast episode. Carnivore, chronic illness, and autoimmuneReview ...
06.22.2022 Personal Fat Threshold In this episode, Laura and Judy chat about the personal fat threshold theory and why it even matters.What is Personal Fat Threshold?A theory for diabetesCreating more fat cells (suitcase example)Fat vs. sickHealth is more than a scaleExcess weight and other ...
06.15.2022 Adding More Meat to the Diet In this episode, Laura and Judy chat about how to add more meat to the diet for non-carnivores.The Power of a CGMHow to Get Kids to Eat More MeatBalancing Real Life with KidsPrioritizing Protein and Fat FirstCutting out SnacksLimiting DrinksKids ...
06.08.2022 The What and Why of Seed Oils In this episode, Laura and Judy chat about all things seed oils.What are Seed Oils Why are Seed Oils Bad? Essential Fatty Acids Cold Pressed vs. Oxidized Seed OilsAmericans and Seed Oil ConsumptionBalancing of Real LifeSeed Oil vs. Sugar –90 ...
06.01.2022 Overcoming Struggles In this episode, Laura and Judy chat about how to overcome struggles, especially with diet. Acute vs. chronic stressFood for comfortThe physical and emotional side with foodOther addictionsHow Laura breaks food cravingsHow to get back on track#Carnivore75HardSee the long-term viewCrash ...
05.25.2022 Baby Formula, Pregnancy and C-Sections In this episode, Laura and Judy chat about the recent baby formula shortage, pregnancies and birthing options. Optimal doesn’t equate to real lifeThe formula shortageBreastfeeding vs. formulaThe root cause issues of mothers and breastfeedingMaternity leave – US and the rest ...
05.18.2022 Standard Bloodwork, Asking your Doctor and Insurance In this episode, Laura and Judy chat about recent bloodwork, standard bloodwork markers, how to ask doctors for lab test and bloodwork covered by insurance. Comprehensive Metabolic PanelComplete Blood CountRed Cell Distribution Width (RDW)A1C and GlucoseKidney functionExcess protein Liver functionCholesterolTriglyceridesThyroidInsuranceMedicating ...
05.11.2022 KetoCon, Non-Keto Conversations and the Ultimate Elimination Diet Database In this episode, Laura and Judy chat about KetoCon, speeches, the place of Keto and Carnivore, and conversations with non-keto dieters. Presentations and speechesKetoCon Entrepreneur MastermindNetflix and KetoHow our story can impact our doctors Background searchesThe ultimate elimination diet_____ RESOURCES:KetoConCarnivory ...
05.04.2022 Hangout with Laura while Judy’s in Insta Jail In this episode, Laura and Judy chat about Instagram jail, Laura’s locals community, birthdays and nutrition as a career.Instagram jailWho defines misinformationHow to #FreeJudyElon Musk and TwitterLocals as a solutionFinding like-minded friendsBirthday reflectionsBabies and perimenopauseLife as a nutritionistEntrepreneur vs. corporate ...
04.27.2022 Weight Loss for Good In this episode, Laura and Judy chat about how to lose weight on a carnivore diet, and in a way that is sustainable. Weight loss trendsGaining weight on carnivoreWeight loss for different body typesUndereating on ketoConsistency is criticalRandle cycleCalories in ...
04.20.2022 A Family Affair - The Spath and Cho Family We apologize for the audio quality. We had some technical difficulties. In this episode, Chris and Kevin talk about the behind-the-scenes with Laura and Judy.Meet Kevin and ChrisKevin’s role at Nutrition with JudyHow Chris supports LauraHow Carnivore works for the ...
04.13.2022 Mold, Autoimmune, Hormones and Meat-only Carnivore In this episode, Laura and Judy chat about mold and biotoxins, and how these illnesses can affect us healing on meat-only carnivore. Liver and kidney markersSymptoms of moldIntro to CIRSHow to test for mold and CIRSMelanocyte stimulating hormone (MSH)Mold supportsDry ...
04.06.2022 GMO Cattle, Egg Yolks, Mixing Carbs and Fat In this episode, Laura and Judy chat about GMO cattle and answer your community questions.FDA approves GMO CattleGMO Salmon and PorkThe risk of GMO cattle for the immune-sensitiveThe color of egg yolksGlyphosateHow to transition from plant-based to carnivore: identity crisisHow ...
03.30.2022 Food Shortages and Inflation In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about the current affairs on food shortages, inflation and what that means for us and our future.Supply chain changesMeat prices vs. seafood pricesInflation and trickledown effectWhite House food shortage messageInflation vs. Ukraine-Russia situationHow ...
03.23.2022 Importance of Community and Self-Empowerment In this episode, Laura and Judy share their thoughts on why community is critical for optimal health. And how to take care of ourselves when the people around us aren’t carnivore.Austin Meat upOne Year of CATGHow to handle carnivore in ...
03.16.2022 Long Term Carnivore. Chicken and Pork PUFAs In this episode, Laura and Judy share their thoughts on Dr. Cywes’ thoughts on long term high fat being less than ideal. They also chat about PUFAs in chicken and pork. Ordering Carnivore at restaurantsIs Carnivore high fat long term ...
03.09.2022 The Truth About Fasting In this episode, Laura and Judy share their thoughts on the good and bad of fasting. Types of fastingLaura’s fasting journeyFasting and carnivoreRecommendations of fasting on the internetBeta cell dysfunctionAutophagy a magic pill?Feasting vs fastingIs OMAD disordered eating?Being honest with ...
03.02.2022 Ownership and Diet as a Journey In this episode, Laura and Judy share their thoughts on the conversation with Dr. Cywes. Recap of interview with Dr. CywesEveryone fails at dietsBlame the person or blame yourself?Bias of echo chambers: Like finds likeWho is responsible: the sellers or ...
02.23.2022 Why We're All Experts at Failing Diets with Dr. Robert Cywes - Not the What but the Why In this episode, Laura and Judy share some real talk with Dr. Robert Cywes. All too often, we focus on weight gain or metabolic syndrome, but the root cause can often be an internal, mental struggle. Not everyone thinks they ...
02.16.2022 Troubleshooting Diets and Real-Life Vulnerability In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about troubleshooting inconsistent poops, being bored of meat, snacking and low energy. They also answer your Q&As;! Make sure to leave any questions on Apple podcasts. They make sure to answer every single ...
02.09.2022 Uric Acid and Fructose In this episode, Judy and Laura share new insight into uric acid and fructose, and what it means for a meat-based carnivore diet. What is gout? And standard care’s recommendationsNormal ranges for uric acidWhat is uric acid? What are purines?What ...
02.02.2022 Low Carb, Keto, Carnivore Bloodwork – The What and Why for Preventative Health In this episode, Laura and Judy continue the discussion from the low carb conference and talk about bloodwork and steps to be a self-advocate.Bloodwork and what to checkLow carb vs. standard diet markersFasted glucose vs. A1CInsulin (LP-IR)What is C-Peptide?Getting your ...
01.26.2022 Gout, Cholesterol, Insulin, Exercise – Thoughts from the Low Carb Conference In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about low carb topics discussed at the Low Carb Boca Raton conference. About the conferenceImportance of hope and communityTopics and Discussions from Low Carb Conference, Boca RatonHoney and PUFAsRead life vs. ideal eatingCGM ...
01.19.2022 When Dieting Gets Hard, How to Stay on Track In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about when diets lose their luster and cravings kick in. They share how they navigate those hard times. When things get hardWhat Laura does when things get hardTracking for motivationWhy tracking might be ...
01.12.2022 Judy's Covid Experience and Early Treatment Protocol In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about Covid’s early treatment protocols and resources. Judy’s experience with COVID-19What Judy did as early treatmentWhat Judy’s 70 year old parents did for early treatmentHow Judy’s children dealt with CovidFollow the scienceWhat to ...
01.05.2022 What to Eat on Carnivore In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about what and how to eat on carnivoreHow Laura and Judy shop and what they buySourcing: Grass finished vs grain finishedCooking methodsWhat we eat and leftoversEating outWhat to do with cheeseWhen to track ...
12.29.2021 Goal setting and looking towards 2022 In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about Christmas plans and dive into listener questions from Apple podcast reviews. Setting Goals for 2022 and for any timeSMART Goals (Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Realistic and Time-Bound)Win the DaysMotivational Dates and Trigger DatesCelebratory ...
12.22.2021 Merry Christmas and Answering Q&As from Reviews In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about Christmas plans and dive into listener questions from Apple podcast reviews. Christmas plansBreaking traditionWhat restaurants are open on ChristmasConnection during the holidaysAnswering your Q&As; _____ RESOURCES Supplement for perimenopause (adrenal glandular) #Carnivore75Hard ...
12.15.2021 Beginner's Guide to Carnivore: What, When, Where, Why, How In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about how to get starting on a meat-only carnivore diet.What is carnivore to Judy and LauraWhy meat-only carnivore is powerfulWhen first starting, what you should eat Sample of foods and meals to eatTools ...
12.08.2021 Reflecting on 2021 In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about the importance of making time for reflecting on the past year. Laura’s reflectionHealing on any dietReal life vs perfect dietLooking back at the wins, resolutions, lossesJudy’s reflectionJudy’s focus on the better (while ...
12.01.2021 Are you a WHEN and THEN person? In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about the real importance of gratitude. Why does gratitude matter?What makes people happy?What defines happiness?Happiness pie chartThe real importance of winning your dayMindset mattersGratitude mattersCountering the negativeBeing grateful_____ RESOURCESCATG Ep 33: Happiness Pie ...
11.24.2021 Thanksgiving In this episode, Laura and Judy share what they’re thankful for. Carnivore Road TripJudy’s GratitudeLaura’s GratitudeOur Message for You_____ SPONSORS: Carnivore Bar – Enter “CATG” at checkout for 10% off your order_____ LAURA’S RESOURCES: Laura’s Discount Codes & InterviewsLaura’s AmazonLaura's ...
11.17.2021 Fiber and Poops: Do You Need Fiber? In this episode, Laura and Judy share all about fiber and bowel movements. Do we need fiber? What about fiber on carnivore? Short chain fatty acids? Butyrate? Acetate? Propionate?Stool TestsWhy loose stools happen with CarnivoreEstrogenMedicationCarnivore stools (poop)Bristol stool chartWhy to ...
11.10.2021 Navigating the Holidays: Real Tips In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about how to mindfully navigate the holidays.Laura’s Carnivore Experience on the HolidaysFocusing on the PositiveKnow YourselfHappiness Pie Chart (DO IT!)Plan Ahead BoundariesBeing Realistic and Setting ExpectationsHoliday WeightTake it Meal by MealNew TraditionsNew Year’s ...
11.03.2021 Personality Disorders and Defining your Happiness Pie Chart with Dr. Elinor Greenberg In this episode, Laura and Judy talk with Dr. Elinor Greenberg about personality disorders, including narcissism, borderline and schizoid personality disorders.Personality DisorderBorderline, Narcissism, SchizoidWhat is Schizoid Personality Disorder? (it’s not schizophrenia)Whole Object Relation TherapyGestalt TherapySplit vs Integrated View (Guilt, Shame)Schizoid ...
10.27.2021 Ask Laura and Judy Anything #2 Ask Laura and Judy Anything #2Bacon and Eggs Causing Discomfort?Carnivore on a BudgetMeat Prices going Up?Defrosting MeatInsomnia and AnxietyFood for MenopauseMacros and How much to EatConnective Tissue DisorderWeight Gain after 10 MonthsFeeding ChildrenElectrolytesHeating Leftovers_____ RESOURCESCATG Ep 10: Why Meat Prices ...
10.20.2021 Real Talk – Fear Sells In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about the darker side of the internet.Dogma, dOGmA, DoGMa – Setting the NarrativeLess than Ideal Studies T3UndereatingBody Image StandardsInfluencer DangersHardest Part of DietingFruits and GeneticsOne tip we Recommend _____ SPONSORS: Carnivore Cure bookRedmond’s ...
10.13.2021 Does Restriction Lead to Bingeing? In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about restriction and bingeing triggers.Is Sugar Addiction Real? Restriction and BingeingCarnivore and Low-FatFood for ComfortDefining StrictWin the DayExamining HabitsOwnershipIUD, Cortisol – Community Q&A;_____ SPONSORS: Kettle and Fire Bone Broth - Enter “NUTRITIONWITHJUDY” at ...
10.06.2021 Is Your Daily Pain Really Inflammation? In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about inflammation.What is Inflammation? Different Kinds of InflammationFoods and InflammationAntinutrients (Lectins, Phytates, Oxalates)Normalizing Bloat?Common isn’t NormalGout and FructoseCortisol and InflammationHow to Test InflammationChronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome_____ SPONSORS: Kettle and Fire Bone Broth - ...
09.29.2021 The Mental Side of Dieting In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about why dieting can be hard.Diet vs. LifestyleFrustrations with DietingHow to Stay on Track and Planning AheadEmotions, Memories and FoodHealing our Relationships with FoodWhy You Need to Change the “Not Good Enough” Thinking ...
09.22.2021 Beginner's Guide - All in or Ease in to Carnivore In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about starting carnivore as an all in or step down approach. How Judy Started CarnivoreThe Keto to Carnivore TransitionCarnivore Cure’s Elimination ProtocolWait, Carnivore is Not a Weight Loss Diet? Carnivore is a Healing ...
09.15.2021 Finding what works for you with Leanne Vogel, Keto Holistic Nutritionist In this episode, Laura and Judy sit down with Leanne Vogel of Healthful Pursuit.Protein NeedsLeanne’s Tips for Optimal NutritionSpend Money on THIS InsteadSupplementsBlood ChemistryUndereating and MalnutritionWhat Bloodwork for Malnutrition Looks LikeIdeal Amounts to EatBlood Sugar Glucose NumbersLabs to Focus onLess ...
09.08.2021 The Red Pill In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about the red pill. What does that mean? Take a listen. What is the Red Pill?Nutritional RecommendationsStatinsJudy’s Red Pill Moment with NutritionLaura’s Red Pill Moment with NutritionPower of StoriesBlue Pill is EasyRed Pill ...
09.01.2021 Insulin Resistance, PUFAs and Diabetes In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about insulin resistance and blood sugar imbalances.Insulin ResistanceCause of Insulin Resistance (PUFAs vs. Sugars)Feeding ChildrenWhy Seed Oils (Vegetable Oils) are ToxicType II Diabetes and Insulin ResistanceInsulin Resistance and the Need for Digestive Enzymes ...

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