Derek Sivers is a true renaissance man. He’s a former entrepreneur, founder of CD Baby, and a prolific writer, thinker, TED speaker and musician. He has optimized himself for creating and learning, and has cut most extraneous things from his life.

In this classic episode, Derek Sivers joined Robert Glazer on the Elevate Podcast to talk about the importance of saying no, pursuing goals and experiences that scare us, why he doesn’t consider himself an entrepreneur anymore and fostering creativity in work and life.

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