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073 | KATSEYE：你有这样高速运转的K-Pop造星机器进入美国 All Eyes on KATSEYE and K-Pop's Global Expansion
【聊了什么The What】
本期节目，小蓝和小杨将自己“逼到墙角”，聊一聊让我们甘心情愿入坑的国际K-Pop女团KATSEYE。这个由六个截然不同的文化背景、肤色成员组成的团体出道曲成绩优异，而且靠hyperpop单曲“Gnarly”迅速出圈，已经成为美国炙手可热的新人偶像。她们身上那种“全校最漂亮的mean girls跟你天下第一好”的鲜活与“有病又有梗”的魅力与以往的女团相比更松弛、自由。
但同时，KATSEYE也代表着K-pop全球扩张战略“质变”的一个成功样本——HYBE和Geffin Records强强联手不仅是韩美资本的一场盛大联姻，更是一个将K-pop工业化造星体系移植到美国本土的庞大实验。我们跟随着出道纪录片《Popstar Academy》，见证这场巨大的“楚门秀”如何将活生生、充满棱角的女孩们锻造成精美的商品。在这套精密运作的资本逻辑下，“人”与“商品”的边界变得模糊，友谊、梦想与自我认同被撕裂，作为娱乐献祭给全球观众。从成员选拔中无法掩盖的地缘政治与种族“拼色游戏”，到闵熙珍与HYBE的冲突所揭示的平台垄断与创作者困境，我们探讨K-pop这套“反人性”却极致高效的体系在全球复制时，究竟是在输出文化，还是在输出一套更精密的规训与控制？
In this episode, Xiao Lan and Xiao Yang dive into KATSEYE, the international K-pop girl group that's completely hooked us. This six-member group debuted to chart success and broke into the mainstream with hyperpop single "Gnarly." They radiate a chaotic, meme-able charm—"the prettiest mean girls who are also ride-or-die for you"—that feels more relaxed and subversive than previous girl groups.
But KATSEYE also represents K-pop's global expansion "qualitative shift." The HYBE and Geffen Records collaboration transplants K-pop's industrialized star-making system onto American soil. Their Netflix documentary Popstar Academy was a "Truman Show" forging strong personalities into polished products, where the line between "person" and "commodity" blurs. From market-driven diversity in member selection to Min Hee-jin's conflict with HYBE exposing creator struggles, we ask: is K-pop exporting culture—or a sophisticated apparatus of exploitation and control?
【时间轴 The When】
02:32 - 04:55 - KATSEYE 是个什么样的女团？
04:55 - 10:49 - Gnarly歌曲制作中加入不雅声音引发的巨大争议，行业应该如何对待未成年偶像
10:49 - 13:30 - KATSEYE成员台上和台下的反差魅力，“发疯”的Gen-Z女团来整顿韩娱了
13:30 - 18:47 - 纪录片《Popstar Academy》的“楚门秀”式选秀、K-pop严苛的训练体系如何与美国文化碰撞
18:47 - 28:31 - Manon的角色弧光与争议：不努力是偶像最大的原罪吗？
28:31 - 45:19 - 选秀的残酷本质、地缘政治与种族配额：国籍、市场等因素如何决定谁能出道
45:19 - 53:37 - HYBE x Geffen资本联姻背后的商业模式、全球扩张野心
53:37 - 59:19 - NEWJEANS 的官司里闵熙珍与HYBE的争议是创新、复制与控制权的根本矛盾
59:19 - 69:54 - K-pop的造星方法论走向世界的过程中会去芜存菁吗？
02:32 - 04:55 - Who is KATSEYE? The Korean-American entertainment powerhouse deal behind the group
04:55 - 10:49 - The "Gnarly" controversy: Why explicit sounds in the track sparked massive backlash
10:49 - 13:30 - KATSEYE's duality: How this "unhinged" Gen-Z girl group is disrupting K-pop norms
13:30 - 18:47 - Popstar Academy's reality TV manipulation and K-pop's brutal training system meets American culture
18:47 - 28:31 - Manon's journey and the backlash: Is "not trying hard enough" the ultimate idol crime?
28:31 - 45:19 - Beyond talent: How geopolitics, racial quotas, and market appeal really determine who debuts
45:19 - 53:37 - HYBE × Geffen: Unpacking the business strategy and global ambitions
53:37 - 59:19 - The NewJeans conflict: Innovation vs. imitation and the battle for creative control
59:19 - 69:54 - Can K-pop's factory system evolve as it goes global—or will it just export the same problems?
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【聊了什么The What】
本期节目，小蓝和小杨将自己“逼到墙角”，聊一聊让我们甘心情愿入坑的国际K-Pop女团KATSEYE。这个由六个截然不同的文化背景、肤色成员组成的团体出道曲成绩优异，而且靠hyperpop单曲“Gnarly”迅速出圈，已经成为美国炙手可热的新人偶像。她们身上那种“全校最漂亮的mean girls跟你天下第一好”的鲜活与“有病又有梗”的魅力与以往的女团相比更松弛、自由。
但同时，KATSEYE也代表着K-pop全球扩张战略“质变”的一个成功样本——HYBE和Geffin Records强强联手不仅是韩美资本的一场盛大联姻，更是一个将K-pop工业化造星体系移植到美国本土的庞大实验。我们跟随着出道纪录片《Popstar Academy》，见证这场巨大的“楚门秀”如何将活生生、充满棱角的女孩们锻造成精美的商品。在这套精密运作的资本逻辑下，“人”与“商品”的边界变得模糊，友谊、梦想与自我认同被撕裂，作为娱乐献祭给全球观众。从成员选拔中无法掩盖的地缘政治与种族“拼色游戏”，到闵熙珍与HYBE的冲突所揭示的平台垄断与创作者困境，我们探讨K-pop这套“反人性”却极致高效的体系在全球复制时，究竟是在输出文化，还是在输出一套更精密的规训与控制？
In this episode, Xiao Lan and Xiao Yang dive into KATSEYE, the international K-pop girl group that's completely hooked us. This six-member group debuted to chart success and broke into the mainstream with hyperpop single "Gnarly." They radiate a chaotic, meme-able charm—"the prettiest mean girls who are also ride-or-die for you"—that feels more relaxed and subversive than previous girl groups.
But KATSEYE also represents K-pop's global expansion "qualitative shift." The HYBE and Geffen Records collaboration transplants K-pop's industrialized star-making system onto American soil. Their Netflix documentary Popstar Academy was a "Truman Show" forging strong personalities into polished products, where the line between "person" and "commodity" blurs. From market-driven diversity in member selection to Min Hee-jin's conflict with HYBE exposing creator struggles, we ask: is K-pop exporting culture—or a sophisticated apparatus of exploitation and control?
【时间轴 The When】
02:32 - 04:55 - KATSEYE 是个什么样的女团？
04:55 - 10:49 - Gnarly歌曲制作中加入不雅声音引发的巨大争议，行业应该如何对待未成年偶像
10:49 - 13:30 - KATSEYE成员台上和台下的反差魅力，“发疯”的Gen-Z女团来整顿韩娱了
13:30 - 18:47 - 纪录片《Popstar Academy》的“楚门秀”式选秀、K-pop严苛的训练体系如何与美国文化碰撞
18:47 - 28:31 - Manon的角色弧光与争议：不努力是偶像最大的原罪吗？
28:31 - 45:19 - 选秀的残酷本质、地缘政治与种族配额：国籍、市场等因素如何决定谁能出道
45:19 - 53:37 - HYBE x Geffen资本联姻背后的商业模式、全球扩张野心
53:37 - 59:19 - NEWJEANS 的官司里闵熙珍与HYBE的争议是创新、复制与控制权的根本矛盾
59:19 - 69:54 - K-pop的造星方法论走向世界的过程中会去芜存菁吗？
02:32 - 04:55 - Who is KATSEYE? The Korean-American entertainment powerhouse deal behind the group
04:55 - 10:49 - The "Gnarly" controversy: Why explicit sounds in the track sparked massive backlash
10:49 - 13:30 - KATSEYE's duality: How this "unhinged" Gen-Z girl group is disrupting K-pop norms
13:30 - 18:47 - Popstar Academy's reality TV manipulation and K-pop's brutal training system meets American culture
18:47 - 28:31 - Manon's journey and the backlash: Is "not trying hard enough" the ultimate idol crime?
28:31 - 45:19 - Beyond talent: How geopolitics, racial quotas, and market appeal really determine who debuts
45:19 - 53:37 - HYBE × Geffen: Unpacking the business strategy and global ambitions
53:37 - 59:19 - The NewJeans conflict: Innovation vs. imitation and the battle for creative control
59:19 - 69:54 - Can K-pop's factory system evolve as it goes global—or will it just export the same problems?
【拓展链接 The Links】
【买咖啡 Please Support Us】
如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡：
If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following:
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