Persistent depression doesn’t just come and go. It lingers — shaping daily routines, relationships, energy, and even self-worth.

In this raw and honest episode of Giving Voice to Depression, our guest shares what it feels like to “live at 60 percent,” carrying the weight of chronic depression every day. From constant fatigue to feelings of hopelessness, she describes the signs and symptoms of living with depression that rarely lets up.

This conversation isn’t about quick fixes or miracle cures. It’s about survival, resilience, and the courage it takes to speak openly about struggles many people silently endure. Whether you live with persistent depression yourself or support someone who does, this episode offers validation and the reminder that you are not alone.

Primary Topics Covered:

• The reality of persistent (chronic) depression
• What it means to “live at 60 percent”
• Key signs and symptoms of ongoing depression
• Why depression is different from occasional sadness
• How chronic depression affects daily energy and motivation
• The impact on relationships and self-worth
• Small survival strategies and redefining success
• Why naming depression takes away some of its power
• The importance of honesty and vulnerability in sharing struggles

Timestamps:

00:00 – Introduction: Why persistent depression matters  
01:22 – Living at “60 percent” and what that feels like  
03:41 – The daily symptoms of chronic depression  
05:02 – Self-worth and identity under the weight of depression  
07:14 – How depression limits motivation and energy  
09:33 – Relationships affected by long-term depression  
12:11 – Survival vs. recovery: redefining progress  
14:28 – The value of honesty when sharing about depression  
16:42 – Small wins: showing up even when exhausted  
19:56 – Finding hope and meaning amid ongoing struggles  
21:30 – Closing reflections: why naming depression matters  

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What does depression really feel like — and how is it different from ordinary sadness?

In this episode of Giving Voice to Depression, psychologists Dr. Robert Duff, Dr. Margaret Rutherford, and Dr. Maduka Trivedi help clarify one of the most misunderstood topics in mental health. While sadness is a temporary emotional state, depression is a serious and persistent illness that can impact every part of life.

Through metaphors, expert insights, and lived experience, our guests explain why depression is not a weakness, why positive events don’t always “snap someone out of it,” and what symptoms signal a need for professional help. If you’ve ever wondered whether what you—or someone you love—are experiencing is sadness or depression, this episode offers clarity, validation, and hope.

Primary Topics Covered:

• What depression feels like vs. what sadness feels like
• Dr. Robert Duff’s “Big D” vs. “Little d” depression explanation
• Depression as a recurring pattern and “parasite”
• Why sadness fades but depression lingers day and night
• Dr. Margaret Rutherford on forgetting how to be happy
• The hidden faces of depression: irritability, exhaustion, despair
• Dr. Maduka Trivedi on why external positives don’t cure depression
• Clinical signs of major depression (per WebMD’s criteria)
• When to seek professional help and available treatments

Timestamps:

00:00 – Introduction: Why sadness and depression are often confused  
01:14 – Episode overview and why this distinction matters  
02:24 – Dr. Robert Duff on “Big D” vs. “Little d” depression  
03:24 – Depression as a recurring uphill battle  
04:25 – Metaphors: depression as a “parasite” that feeds on itself  
05:09 – Dr. Margaret Rutherford on crossing from sadness into depression  
06:55 – Why depression consumes daily life in a way sadness does not  
07:07 – Forgetting happiness: why it’s not a choice  
07:31 – Depression as a genetic predisposition, not weakness  
08:45 – Dr. Maduka Trivedi: the two major signals of depression  
09:48 – Why positive events don’t always shift depression’s weight  
10:23 – WebMD’s nine symptoms of major depression  
11:22 – How to recognize major depressive disorder  
11:33 – Treatment options: therapy, medication, and sleep hygiene  
11:45 – Closing encouragement for those living with depression  

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What difference does it make when families actually talk about depression instead of hiding it?

In this episode, Jesse reflects on growing up in a family where mental illness was openly discussed at home, long before society embraced those conversations. She shares what it was like to watch her mother struggle with depression, how honesty helped reduce shame, and how those early conversations shaped her own lifelong journey with depression and anxiety.

Joined by guest co-host John, who also carries a deep family history of depression and addiction, the discussion explores the healing power of openness, the damage of silence, and how breaking cycles of secrecy can change lives — including the next generation’s.

This is a powerful reminder that talking about depression is not just brave — it’s transformative.

Primary Topics Covered:

• Why “talking about depression” is essential for reducing stigma
• Jesse’s family history of depression and anxiety across generations
• How her parents’ honesty helped her as a child understand mental illness
• The experience of watching her mother live with chronic pain and depression
• How secrecy, silence, and gaslighting fueled shame and confusion in other families
• John’s contrasting story of growing up in a family that denied problems
• The impact of being told “it’s not your fault” as a child
• How honesty creates resilience and helps future generations
• Practical ways families can break cycles of silence about mental health

Timestamps:

00:00 – Introduction: Why talking about depression matters  
01:00 – Meet Jesse and guest co-host John  
01:27 – Jesse’s lifelong journey with chronic depression and anxiety  
02:05 – Family openness about depression in the 1960s  
03:14 – How honesty shaped Jesse’s understanding as a child  
04:42 – Her parents’ candid conversations about mental illness  
07:15 – Watching her mother’s struggle with depression and chronic pain  
09:10 – The power of being told “it’s not your fault” as a child  
11:38 – Jesse internalizes stress and develops physical symptoms  
12:38 – The complexity of hearing a parent say “I wish I could die”  
15:00 – Jesse’s lifelong daily depression and morning struggles  
15:58 – Her “tripod of support”: medication, diet, and exercise  
16:46 – Daily practices from 12-step recovery and writing letters  
18:18 – Metaphor of the snowball: unpacking depression one piece at a time  
19:32 – Finding functional, self-respectful ways to cope with depression  
20:46 – John’s contrasting family experience: silence, gaslighting, and addiction  
24:10 – How secrecy undermines children’s trust in themselves  
26:41 – Breaking the cycle: creating openness for the next generation  
27:16 – Closing reflections: the healing power of honest conversations  

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What if the right question could shift how you see yourself, your struggles, and your recovery journey? In this farewell episode, clinical psychologist Dr. Anita Sanz shares the three most powerful questions she’s used with clients — and in her own life — to challenge the lies of depression and uncover new paths forward.

After three years as co-host of Giving Voice to Depression, Dr. Sanz leaves listeners with these tools as a parting gift: practical, hope-filled questions that can help you reframe hopelessness, break through mental ruts, and reconnect with your inner strength.

If you’re living with depression or supporting someone who is, this conversation will remind you that even the smallest shifts in perspective can open the door to recovery.

Primary Topics Covered:

• Why questions can be powerful tools in depression recovery
• The first question: What dream would you explore if you felt fully supported?
• How reframing challenges can break depression’s mental “rut”
• The second question: What if life is an adventure and not a mission?
• Why seeing life as an adventure reduces pressure and comparison
• The third question: What if I am stronger than I think I am?
• Using self-compassion and inner strength to navigate dark times
• Reflections on Dr. Sanz’s role as co-host and her farewell message of hope
• The importance of authenticity, connection, and shared stories

Timestamps:

00:00 – Introduction: The mission of Giving Voice to Depression  
00:32 – Dr. Anita Sanz reflects on her years of clinical practice  
01:27 – Why Anita is leaving the podcast and her farewell gift  
02:00 – Introducing three life-changing questions for mental health  
02:40 – Why powerful questions work with depression and anxiety  
04:48 – Question #1: What dream would you explore if you felt fully supported?  
07:45 – How this question helps break the mental rut of depression  
09:42 – Personal examples from Dr. Sanz’s life and work  
11:49 – Question #2: What if life is an adventure and not a mission?  
13:25 – The difference between adventures and missions in recovery  
15:41 – How shifting perspective removes pressure and comparison  
17:18 – Question #3: What if I am stronger than I think I am?  
19:19 – How this question challenges self-doubt and hopelessness  
21:41 – Dr. Sanz reflects on hope, authenticity, and connection  
22:40 – Farewell reflections and gratitude from both hosts  
24:51 – Where to follow Dr. Anita Sanz and her next adventure  
25:19 – Closing: The importance of speaking up and listening  

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Depression recovery rarely happens in one breakthrough moment—it’s usually a series of small, almost invisible steps that slowly add up to change. For The Tors Band, those moments of light became the foundation of their viral song “Anything Can Happen” and their journey of speaking openly about mental health.

In this episode, Matt Weedon shares how sleeping through the night for the first time in months, opening the curtains, and noticing tiny sparks of joy signaled the slow but powerful lifting of depression. He reflects on how honesty and vulnerability have shaped their music, connected with millions, and reminded others that healing is possible—even if progress feels painfully slow.

If you’re on your own recovery journey, this episode offers proof that even the smallest steps can bring hope when the darkness begins to lift.

Primary Topics Covered:

• Depression recovery as a slow process of small wins
• The Tors Band’s viral song “Anything Can Happen” and its impact
• Why sleeping through the night marked a turning point in recovery
• The metaphor of opening curtains and letting in light
• The role of authenticity and truth-telling in music and healing
• How sharing vulnerability helped The Tors connect with millions
• Building daily routines: walking, music, writing, and therapy
• Accepting both bad and good days as part of the recovery process
• Why even imperceptible progress matters in depression recovery

Timestamps:

00:00 – Introduction: The Tors Band and their story of hope  
02:11 – From “Anything Can Happen” to global impact: 9.5 million streams  
03:26 – The emotional listener response to honest lyrics  
05:29 – Why depression and anxiety connect universally  
06:53 – The power of truth-telling in music and mental health  
08:16 – Sleeping through the night: a small but life-changing win  
09:39 – Opening the curtains: a metaphor for recovery  
10:49 – Why depression recovery is slow, not instant  
12:21 – Accepting setbacks while noticing small improvements  
13:25 – The role of daily routines: dogs, walking, podcasts, writing  
14:35 – Therapy and uncovering childhood experiences  
15:18 – The message of slow but real healing  
16:15 – Why the smallest progress matters most  
18:59 – Authenticity and why music resonates so deeply  
20:11 – Full performance: *“Anything Can Happen”* by The Tors Band  
23:30 – Final reflections: slow recovery, real hope  

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Coping with depression often means searching for ways to turn struggle into something that helps you keep going. For Matt Weedon of The Tors, that outlet was music.

In this heartfelt conversation, Matt shares how the band’s song “Anything Can Happen” was written during a season of deep depression. He describes what it felt like to carry both pain and numbness, why even simple tasks felt impossible, and how the support of a true friend became a lifeline.

Matt and The Tors remind us that music, friendship, and self-compassion can turn even the heaviest moments into sparks of hope.

Link to The Tors website: https://www.tors.band/

Primary Topics Covered:

• Coping with depression through creativity and songwriting
• The story of “Anything Can Happen” and its personal meaning
• What it feels like to live with pain and numbness at the same time
• The challenge of daily tasks when depression is overwhelming
• Why trusted friendships are essential for survival and healing
• Self-compassion in practice: “If you need a minute, take a minute”
• The role of routines and small joys in recovery
• The power of listening without judgment or solutions
• How music helps give language to mental health struggles

Timestamps:

00:00 – Introduction: why coping with depression requires support  
02:12 – Meet Matt Weedon of The Tors and the song’s backstory  
03:44 – Writing during depression and the emotional weight of creativity  
05:08 – Pain and numbness: the paradox of depression’s symptoms  
05:38 – Lyrics from “Anything Can Happen” and how they resonate  
06:43 – “I don’t remember happy” — losing joy and memory in depression  
08:26 – The role of a friend who listens without judgment  
09:29 – Why being heard feels like being loved  
10:54 – Responding with compassion when someone shares their struggle  
11:49 – The reminder: “If you need a minute, take a minute”  
15:13 – Building hope even when the future feels impossible  
15:35 – Routines and small goals as building blocks for recovery  
18:30 – Laughter, TV shows, and sparks of joy returning  
20:09 – Comfort inputs: why familiar routines support the brain  
21:22 – Friendship, presence, and “body doubling” in recovery  
22:51 – Closing thoughts: music as medicine for depression  

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Depression doesn’t just bring sadness—it can strip away hope, motivation, and even the will to fight for recovery. For Johnny Crowder, frontman, mental health advocate, and founder of Cope Notes, depression became the most debilitating part of his long list of diagnoses, which also included anxiety, OCD, bipolar disorder, and schizophrenia.

In this deeply honest conversation, Johnny shares how depression convinced him not to seek help, why it felt impossible to do the things that could make him better, and how he eventually began to challenge those dark, repetitive thoughts. He also explains how he monitors his own “tells” to recognize when depression is rising—and how noticing even small sparks of joy helped him rebuild hope.

Together with Terry and Dr. Anita Sanz, Johnny explores the paradox of depression, the importance of self-compassion, and practical strategies for surviving when life feels impossible.

Link to Johnny Crowder's Website:

https://johnnycrowder.com/

Link to Johnny Crowder's first TEDx Talk: "Why I Don't Want to Die Anymore":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e612-OTu-SA

Link to Johnny Crowder's second TEDx Talk: "How to Grow as a Person (and Why it Sucks)"

 https://www.ted.com/talks/johnny_crowder_how_to_grow_as_a_person_and_why_it_sucks

Primary Topics Covered:

• Why depression can feel more debilitating than other diagnoses
• Johnny’s lived experience with bipolar disorder, OCD, and schizophrenia
• The metaphor of depression as the “thing that keeps you from the solution”
• How hopelessness prevents people from seeking treatment
• The difference between acceptance and surrender in mental health
• Eckhart Tolle’s approach to reframing intrusive thoughts
• Recognizing personal “tells” that signal the onset of depression
• Why monitoring sparks of joy can help recovery
• Practical coping strategies and the importance of safe support

Timestamps:

00:00 – Introduction: Why depression conversations matter  
02:07 – Meet Johnny Crowder: musician, advocate, and psychology graduate  
03:09 – Johnny’s mental health diagnoses: depression, anxiety, OCD, schizophrenia, bipolar  
05:45 – Depression as the most debilitating diagnosis  
06:54 – How depression prevents people from seeking help  
07:24 – Explaining depression’s nature to those who haven’t experienced it  
09:13 – Sadness vs. depression: the difference  
10:12 – Losing hope and vision for the future  
11:47 – Seeking evidence outside depression’s lies  
12:53 – Writing truths for yourself when you’re well  
13:27 – Therapist insight: “Who would you have to be to not be affected?”  
14:33 – Connecting life stress with depressive episodes  
15:22 – Learning from Eckhart Tolle: reframing thoughts  
17:31 – Johnny’s personal “tells” that depression is worsening  
18:28 – Recognizing signs of recovery: sparks of joy returning  
19:19 – Depression as the blocker to solutions and hope  
20:44 – Acceptance vs. surrender: finding balance  
23:36 – Responding differently to symptoms without resisting  
28:10 – Acceptance as empowerment, not giving up  
29:35 – Early warning signs and recognizing positive change  
30:59 – Johnny’s advocacy and Cope Notes project  

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What happens when everything falls apart at once? 

Musician and mental health advocate Johnny Crowder recently faced that exact reality—losing his home, his band, and his relationship (with the woman he expected to marry,) all within days.

In this 25-minute episode, he talks about the depression that followed ("a bear he has wrestled many times before,") and the mindset shift that helped him rebuild and reconnect with hope. 

If you’ve ever felt like you couldn’t find your way out of a dark place, Johnny’s story—and the practical strategies he shares—will remind you that healing is possible, one step at a time.

Link to Johnny Crowder's Website: https://johnnycrowder.com/

Link to Johnny Crowder's 1st TEDx Talk: Why I Don't Want to Die Anymore:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e612-OTu-SA

Link to Johnny Crowder's 2nt TEDx TalkTEDx Talk: How to Grow as a Person (and Why it Sucks) : https://www.ted.com/talks/johnny_crowder_how_to_grow_as_a_person_and_why_it_sucks

Primary Topics Covered:

• Depression recovery after multiple major life losses
• Johnny’s story: hurricane, relationship ending, and band breakup
• How depression resurfaced and what it felt like this time
• Why fighting depression doesn’t always work
• Reframing loss as an opportunity for growth and change
• Asking trusted friends/family for reminders of past resilience
• Depression’s lies: hopelessness, time distortion, and lack of joy
• The importance of acceptance and patience in healing
• Tools like writing, reflection, and Cope Notes for daily support
• Self-compassion and practicing early intervention strategies

Timestamps:
00:00 – Introduction to the episode and Johnny Crowder  
01:26 – Johann Hari’s view on depression as a response to abnormal experiences  
02:11 – Johnny’s background: survivor, musician, and advocate  
03:12 – Hurricane destroys Johnny’s home and sparks reflection  
04:16 – Band breakup, relationship loss, and simultaneous crises  
06:00 – Depression returns after years of stability  
08:36 – Avoidance, denial, and the first signs of depression  
10:58 – Processing loss and the fear of not rebuilding  
11:45 – What’s different this time: hope instead of suicidal thoughts  
13:55 – Building resilience through past experiences and evidence  
14:07 – Writing, speaking, and developing new coping frameworks  
15:50 – Asking others to reflect resilience back to you  
17:30 – Depression’s lies: hopelessness and distorted time  
18:59 – Building an “emergency box” for future depressive episodes  
20:56 – Awareness, timing, and early intervention  
22:39 – Closing thoughts and links to Johnny’s work (TEDx, Cope Notes)  

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In this episode of Giving Voice to Depression, Gwen shares her lived experience of supporting her husband and children while navigating the challenges depression brings into a family home. She discusses the importance of ground rules, open communication, and small acts of kindness that help maintain connection during hard times. Gwen also emphasizes self-care for caregivers, the value of finding supportive friends, and accessing resources to prevent burnout. Her story offers hope, practical strategies, and encouragement for anyone caring for a loved one with depression.

Link to Families for Depression Awareness website/resources:

https://www.familyaware.org/

Primary Topics Covered

• The emotional impact of depression on partners and families
• Establishing ground rules for communication and household responsibilities
• Early intervention: recognizing and addressing warning signs of depression
• Maintaining connection through small acts of kindness
• Balancing family life when a partner is struggling
• The importance of self-care and finding a support system
• Available resources for caregivers of people with depression

Timestamps

00:00 Intro to the podcast and mission
 01:42 Depression’s impact on caregivers and loved ones
 02:08 The cairn metaphor: leaving markers for others on the path
 03:26 Introducing Gwen and her family’s story
 04:02 Finding joy and humor in daily life despite depression
 04:39 Creating ground rules for communication and support
 05:52 Recognizing early warning signs and taking action
 06:34 Balancing responsibilities and avoiding total withdrawal
 08:13 Careful communication: word choice and timing
 10:15 Small acts of kindness to maintain connection
 11:45 Allowing family life to continue when a partner opts out
 12:57 Explaining absence to children and friends
 15:19 Remembering the person you fell in love with
 16:12 The importance of caregiver self-care and support networks
 18:41 Being honest with trusted friends about struggles
 20:22 Accessing resources and finding creative support solutions
 22:24 Key takeaways: remembering your partner before depression and finding core people
 26:24 Resources for caregivers and support organizations
 27:53 Closing reflections and encouragement to seek support

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Supporting a partner with depression is an act of love, but it can also feel overwhelming and isolating. In this episode, Gwen shares her lived experience navigating marriage, parenting, and family life while her husband struggles with treatment-resistant depression. She offers candid insights about setting boundaries, managing responsibilities, and practicing self-care—without letting depression define the relationship.

Alongside Dr. Anita Sanz and Terry, this conversation explores how to maintain hope, establish healthy routines, and gently encourage a depressed partner to stay engaged, while also protecting your own mental health and well-being. Whether you’re a spouse, caregiver, or family member, this episode provides both validation and practical tools for the journey.

Primary Topics Covered:

• The realities of marriage when a partner has treatment-resistant depression
• Balancing caregiving responsibilities with self-care
• Setting healthy boundaries and enforcing them compassionately
• Co-parenting challenges when depression impacts family dynamics
• Gentle “nudging” strategies that encourage engagement without enabling
• The importance of routines, shared responsibilities, and open communication
• Recognizing caregiver burnout and creating a personal self-care plan
• Using couples or family therapy to navigate communication barriers
• Finding hope and resilience through long-term mental health challenges

Timestamps:

00:02:00 - The emotional toll of caregiving and why it often feels isolating
 00:04:15 - Gwen shares her family’s story: marriage, kids, and depression
 00:07:10 - Navigating the ups and downs of a partner’s depressive episodes
 00:08:24 - The power of boundaries: protecting yourself from harmful behaviors
 00:09:46 - Gwen’s “roller coaster” metaphor for staying grounded
 00:11:00 - Coping with a partner who pushes you away
 00:12:15 - Shared responsibilities and routines that strengthen the family
 00:15:43 - Why depressed partners often resist using coping tools—and what to do
 00:18:01 - Supporting someone who isolates during depression vs. physical illness
 00:19:00 - The importance of self-care for the caregiver: protecting your energy
 00:20:51 - Gentle nudging, small wins, and staying hopeful
 00:23:37 - Final reflections: protecting relationships from being defined by depression

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