Marketing School - Digital Marketing and Online Marketing Tips

Marketing School - Digital Marketing and Online Marketing Tips

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  • Eric Got 8.9 Million Views and Zero Leads

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    Eric opens with Bryan Johnson's team telling creators to forget the content calendar and iterate, and how he now rewrites and reposts flopped posts by voice on the walk to the gym. Neil's newest test asks viewers to comment for a free audit, and the pairing metric he wants on every social hire is leads, not views. Then enterprise specifics: a three-year contract that grew out of work in one region, why only two to three percent of NP Digital's enterprise revenue traces back to Neil's personal brand, and how ten-person search agencies quietly decide the biggest marketing contracts. Eric opens his Leveling Up channel to show the wide-TAM experiment, 8.9 million views on one short and interviews that got praise from entrepreneurs' spouses but no leads, before Neil explains the acquisition lesson that grows a bought agency's EBITDA 40 to 60 percent in a year and why he follows up with everyone. A grounded episode on measuring what actually pays.

    Key takeaways
    ◾Pair views with leads for every social hire, or the team optimises for likes
    ◾Wide-TAM content brings views and comments, not enterprise leads
    ◾Buy the specialist that big brands already call; the follow-up is where the deals are

    Chapters
    00:00 F your content calendar
    01:36 Comment-to-lead: the 37-places reel
    03:34 Every metric needs a pairing metric
    04:17 NP Digital vs NP Accel: where SMB leads go
    04:53 A format library your agent keeps fresh
    06:09 A 3-year contract from one region's work
    07:56 Stop creating content for 90 days?
    08:22 6% of enterprise leads come from Neil's brand
    08:58 70% of SMB leads, 50% of SMB revenue
    10:17 Procurement, RFPs and the search agencies
    11:56 Dan Martell's formats and wider TAM
    12:52 Seminars and ascension funnels
    13:34 Eric's wide-TAM experiment on Leveling Up
    15:17 The shorts: 3.9M, 2.7M, 2.1M views
    17:02 Why Eric stopped: no leads
    17:37 Distribution beats content when you have leverage
    18:44 The acquisition lesson: 40-60% EBITDA growth
    21:21 The fortune is in the follow-up
    22:07 'How are things going?' scheduled for March 2027

    27 min
  • Neil Trusts Meta's New AI Agent More Than ChatGPT

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    Eric and Neil open on Meta Muse, Meta's new autonomous agent, and Neil explains why he trusts Meta with it more than OpenAI or Anthropic: Meta has held everyone's data for years and people already live inside its products. Eric shows what his own Muse did in minutes, pulling Ryan Deiss's best Instagram formats and rewriting them for his channel, and argues that formats are now the job. Then the real debate: Neil says almost all of their content is still too broad, that specific content for a specific buyer drives revenue even at a fifth of the views, and that a room of enterprise marketers in Ecuador proved it when two or three percent knew he ran an agency. They land on a secondary hook, one line that says who you are and what your company does, placed wherever it sounds natural. A practical episode on trust, formats and making your content pay.

    Key takeaways
    ◾Trust decides which AI agents win, and Meta starts with more of it than the labs
    ◾Let an agent keep your format library fresh so you can just record
    ◾Specific content converts; add a one-line credibility hook so buyers know who you are

    Chapters
    00:00 Meta Muse: Meta's autonomous agent
    00:34 Why Neil trusts Meta more than OpenAI
    02:35 Eric, the GrokBot team and Ryan Deiss
    03:49 Ryan's Instagram: niche or broad?
    05:46 Tier lists and reactions: the formats that work
    06:49 Eric's Muse rewrites Ryan's formats
    08:01 Neil: all three of us are still too broad
    09:50 Danger gets views: Nick Shirley
    10:47 A 100K-view video can be a great video
    11:44 Ecuador: 3% of the room knew Neil had an agency
    13:25 Accenture, TAM and who you're really selling to
    15:22 The secondary hook: say who you are
    16:50 Where the mention goes: wherever it's natural
    17:27 Test it: from 3% to 10% in a year

    21 min
  • Tesla 20x'd Sales by Cutting 64 Clicks to 3

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    It took 64 clicks to buy a Tesla online, 30 of them signing loan documents. Eric explains the five-step algorithm from the book of the same name (question, delete, simplify, speed up, automate) and how it 20x'd Tesla's website sales. Then the data: AI-generated ads are beating human creative on completion rate (92% vs 90% on connected TV), Shopify's Q2 shows $116 billion in GMV and a platform built for AI agents, and Neil's case that SEO and GEO are merging into one thing, brand. Eric on the new agents he is testing, Instinct and Meta Muse, and the week's grand finale: Rohan Nayak's post on how Pocket FM went from zero to $500 million in ARR with an AI ad machine that makes 17,500 ads a month.

    Key takeaways
    ◾Question, delete, simplify, speed up, then automate; most people automate first and fail
    ◾SEO or GEO, the long game is brand; you have to show up everywhere
    ◾A 2% to 2.25% CTR lift cut Pocket FM's CAC by 30%; build the ad machine around that insight

    Chapters
    00:00 Tesla 20x'd website sales: 64 clicks to 3
    01:35 Buying a car on a website
    02:55 AI ads beat human creative on completion
    04:19 Shopify Q2: $116B GMV and AI commerce
    05:38 SEO and GEO are merging into brand
    08:04 Search everywhere optimization, again
    10:49 A SaaS company diversifying off SEO
    11:46 Instinct and Meta Muse agents
    14:15 Pocket FM: $0 to $500M ARR with 17,500 ads a month
    17:11 Build your own ad machine

    21 min
  • Every Lead Gets a Call in 60 Seconds: The Bots Running Eric's Agency

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    Eric and Neil open up their own marketing week. Eric's $250 test assignment that turned into a $2,000 quote, the GrokBots he built in his free time (a call bot that phoned a spa and confirmed a booking, a haggle bot renegotiating every software bill, and a speed-to-lead bot that calls every form fill within 60 seconds), and the 2x2 he uses to decide which agency work becomes a reusable workflow and which gets killed. Neil on speed to learning, why wins on one channel take too long to reach the rest of the company, and how he finds agencies that stopped growing and buys the ones losing deals only because they are too small. Then the social tests: Neil's new screen-share format and LinkedIn engagement scraping, Eric's comment-to-DM flow with Lead Shark and Goji Berry, and the YouTube video that was edited entirely by AI.

    Key takeaways
    ◾Every lead gets a call within 60 seconds; a bot can do it and sound good
    ◾Speed to learning is the bottleneck: move a win from one channel to every channel fast
    ◾Reusable workflows beat custom premium work; build them, then hand them to the team

    Chapters
    00:00 Our marketing week: the $250 test that failed
    02:42 The GrokBot that booked Eric's massage
    04:17 Haggle bot and speed-to-lead in 60 seconds
    05:18 Neil: speed to learning
    07:46 Buying agencies that stopped growing
    10:24 Eric's 2x2: reusable workflows
    13:14 Neil's new screen-share format
    15:40 Scraping your LinkedIn engagers
    16:38 Comment-to-DM with Lead Shark and Goji Berry
    18:21 YouTube: relevant views beat viral views
    19:54 A fully AI-edited video
    22:16 AI thumbnails that actually look like you

    26 min
  • How McKinsey Helped Nike Lose $223 Billion

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    Nike's market cap peaked at $280 billion in 2021 and has lost $223 billion since. Eric walks through Trung Phan's breakdown of how it happened: McKinsey advised Nike to eliminate its running, basketball and soccer categories, the marketing budget moved from brand advertising to programmatic retargeting, and hundreds of wholesale partners were cut for a direct-to-consumer bet that collapsed when shoppers went back to stores. Neil on why consultants who never ran a business should not be running yours, and why a kid asking for Nikes is what good brand advertising looks like. Then LeBron James' Polymarket partnership and why both hosts call it brand eroding, and the shirtless YouTuber Eric calls the Sam Sulek of e-commerce.

    Key takeaways
    ◾Nike cut what worked (categories, brand ads, retail partners) for what was easier to measure
    ◾A brand is what people say about you when you're not in the room; retargeting does not build it
    ◾It takes decades to build a brand and five minutes to erode it

    Chapters
    00:00 Nike lost $223B: McKinsey killed the categories
    01:32 Consultants who never ran a business
    04:06 Locked in: adapt or die
    04:34 Nike swapped brand ads for retargeting
    06:36 Why kids wanted Nikes
    07:59 Neil's Tesla
    09:16 Nike burnt its wholesale partners
    10:07 LeBron x Polymarket: a brand-eroding move
    13:07 The Sam Sulek of e-commerce
    15:22 What views actually matter

    21 min
  • Most Agencies Are Flat. Here's Why Neil's Is Still Growing

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    Wil Reynolds of Seer Interactive says agency owners are dishonest about how business is really going, and that most have been flat for three or four years. Eric reads the post and Neil agrees the downturn started around 2022 and is the longest he has seen, then explains why NP Digital kept growing anyway. Eric's take: the agencies dying are the ones still doing what they did five years ago, and tough markets are exactly when adaptable founders win the deals against the holding companies. The episode closes on the part of being a founder nobody talks about: watching the people you trained go on to build their own companies, why mindset separates the people who survive the downs, and why a business win feels the way it does.

    Key takeaways
    ◾Be honest about how business is going; it keeps leads and opportunities flowing to you
    ◾The agencies in trouble are still running the 2021 playbook; adapt or die
    ◾You can't train mindset, and hard years are what build it

    Chapters
    00:00 Agency owners are lying about how business is going (Wil Reynolds)
    01:41 Neil: why NP Digital is still growing
    03:54 Eric: adapt or die, the invisible hammer
    07:06 Flat for 4 years? You're doing the same thing
    08:06 The burn-victim YouTuber: keep going
    10:34 If you're going through hell, keep going
    11:14 The best part of being a founder
    12:44 Mindset: people can't handle the downs
    13:48 The business high

    20 min
  • Digital PR Is How You Get Cited by ChatGPT

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    Eric asks Neil to finally explain digital PR and how it helps with AEO and SEO. Neil gets there via a Huawei phone with a screen on the back, how ByteDance ran AI inside Lark two years before the rest of us, where America really ranks in K-12 education (34th, per Google AI Mode), what China mandates instead, and the FOMO playbook behind Alpha School's marketing. Then the answer: digital PR is the new link building, you're optimizing for the mention, not the link, and you want your product included everywhere the models read. They close on the only marketing advantage that compounds: consistency.

    Key takeaways
    ◾Digital PR is optimizing for the mention, not the link. That's what the models read
    ◾America ranks 34th in K-12; China mandates 9 years and tracks 40% into vocational paths
    ◾Consistency compounds. Grey-hat wins evaporate, and one channel is never enough

    Chapters
    00:00 What is digital PR, actually?
    00:27 Huawei's phone with a screen on the back
    01:07 ByteDance and Lark were doing this two years ago
    02:43 America is 34th in K-12 (Google AI Mode)
    05:36 Compulsory schooling: US vs China
    06:14 Alpha School's FOMO marketing
    10:28 Digital PR: optimize for the mention
    15:15 Consistency compounds

    22 min
  • 80% of OpenAI and Anthropic's Revenue Comes From 1% of Customers

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    New Ramp data says 80% of OpenAI and Anthropic's enterprise revenue comes from 1% of their customers, a concentration risk unseen in any other software category. Eric and Neil dig into what that means for the AI trade and for every company betting on it. Then Tomasz Tunguz's five-year writing data: AI didn't reduce his editing, it raised the quality floor, and the weakest posts gained twice as much as the strongest. Plus ICONIQ's headcount report (the 100%+ growers added 133% more headcount while the 50-100% band cut hiring almost in half), YC's product-market-fit data on user conversations, and a detour into foldable phones.

    Key takeaways
    ◾1% of customers drive 80% of OpenAI and Anthropic's enterprise revenue. That's the risk
    ◾AI raises the floor of your work, it doesn't shrink the effort
    ◾10+ user conversations a week is the most predictive variable for finding PMF

    Chapters
    00:00 80% of AI revenue from 1% of customers (Ramp)
    03:29 AI productivity raises the floor (Tunguz)
    04:55 ICONIQ: who's still hiring in 2026
    09:07 YC data: the one variable that predicts PMF
    13:03 Foldable phones and the China gap

    20 min
  • Your SEO Is About to Run Itself (Autonomous Engine Optimization)

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    Eric introduces the new AEO: Autonomous Engine Optimization, the AI harness Nick Eubanks used to grow a 12-week-old website, and why every sales call and customer conversation inside your company is a page waiting to be published. Then the self-improving product has arrived: Amplitude's Wave agent found its own problems and shipped fixes worth +160% engagement and a 6% to 9% onboarding lift. Eric and Neil also pick apart OpenAI's GPT-6 Astra launch, the five things that took Andrew Warner's new YouTube channel to 937,000 views in a month, how B2B buyers now find agencies through Claude, and why the best salespeople sell like doctors.

    Key takeaways
    ◾AEO now means autonomous: content creates, drafts and ships itself with a human in the loop
    ◾Self-improving products are live: Wave found and fixed real conversion problems on its own
    ◾On YouTube, info calls, retention data and trending topics beat subscriber counts

    Chapters
    00:00 The new AEO: Autonomous Engine Optimization
    03:07 Self-improving products: Amplitude's Wave agent
    06:44 OpenAI's GPT-6 Astra launch misstep
    11:37 Andrew Warner: 937K views in a month
    16:48 How buyers find agencies through Claude
    21:18 Sell like a doctor

    27 min
  • Stop Teaching Your Team AI. Keep the Top 40%.

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    Eric came back from a founder retreat with a hard truth: the AI hackathons and training programs everyone planned in January didn't work, and the companies pulling ahead just raised the talent bar. He walks through the GitHub leaderboard that shows who's actually shipping, why one 200-engineer company is keeping only its top 40, and Neil's long-held view that you can't train mindset. Then the sycophancy trap: why ChatGPT agrees with whatever you feed it, what Neil found when he ran a real recommendation test across an accounting firm, and why most executives still don't understand how these models work.

    Key takeaways
    ◾You can't train mindset. Raise the bar and hire people who already have it
    ◾A public shipping leaderboard exposes who's really working in about a week
    ◾AI is a sycophant. Optimize for it, don't just ask it follow-up questions

    Chapters
    00:00 Stop training, raise the talent bar
    01:14 The GitHub leaderboard: keep the top 40
    02:31 Neil: hire amazing people, it solves most problems
    07:45 The AI therapy trap: it agrees with you
    13:17 Neil's accounting-firm recommendation test
    15:54 Three years in, executives still don't get it

    20 min

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