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August 04 The AI Models That Are 100x Cheaper
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Neil spends 60 to 70% of his time reaching out to companies to buy, and explains when he wants founders to stay and when he does not, plus where global agency RFPs actually come from. Eric makes the case for open weights in marketing, where models like GLM 5.2 and Kimi K3 cut costs 25 to 100x on high-volume creative work. They then get into what nobody in his AI executive group could answer: how you actually measure the ROI of AI, why token usage is a terrible metric, and why revenue per employee is a better one. Closes on Jensen Huang's first post and Anthropic's MCP release finally being practical for non-technical marketers.
Key takeaways
◾ Open weights cut 25 to 100x on high-volume creative, and that is the marketing case
◾ Measure AI on revenue per employee, not on token spend
◾ The CEOs who spent last year cutting headcount have quietly backtracked
Chapters
00:00 How Neil splits his time: recruiting and buying companies
01:05 Buying businesses, and whether founders stay
03:17 Where the global RFPs actually come from
06:33 Why open weights matter for marketing
09:46 Measuring the ROI of AI
12:59 Sponsor break
17:00 Jensen Huang's first post and the open-weights letter
23:34 MCPs get practical
30 min
August 03 Google Is Burning Its Free Cash Flow To Win AI
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Neil and Eric open on Google going negative on free cash flow to win the AI race, and ask whether it is a reckless bet or the only move a company with that much distribution can make. They use Naval's point about cheap software pushing value toward vertically integrated businesses to explain why agencies are turning into “brains”, including what the Google Ads team told Eric about traditional agencies this week, and finish on ChatGPT Voice as a genuine daily operating tool rather than a novelty.
Key takeaways
◾ Google is spending free cash flow, not spare cash, to win AI
◾ Cheap software moves the value to vertically integrated, opinionated businesses
◾ Voice is turning AI from a tool you open into a system you run the day on
Chapters
00:00 Google's AI cash bet
03:40 Naval: cheap software moves value to verticals
05:30 Agencies evolve into brains
08:22 ChatGPT Voice as a daily command centre
10:12 Sponsor break
14:47 Which AI companies do you trust with your data?
17:35 Agentic recruiting workflows
22 min
July 30 I Tested Sol 5.6 vs Fable 5 on Real Marketing Work (Clear Winner)
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Eric ran Sol 5.6 against Fable 5 on real marketing work: an Amazon investment analysis, one-shot website builds, YouTube thumbnails that hit 6-7% CTR, and clip selection with hooks. His verdict: Sol finishes jobs with less back and forth. Neil's rule: never marry one model. Then why 62% direct traffic means brand is working, the AI-native org structure Eric's team published, and both hosts' hiring anti-pitch: passion, standards, and moving fast on people.
Key takeaways
◾Judge models on finished jobs, not clever answers
◾Direct traffic is the scoreboard for brand strength
◾Hire people who tell you what to do, and move quickly when it's not working
Chapters
00:00 Testing AI Models for Marketing
07:09 Brand Power Drives Direct Traffic
09:29 Building AI-Native Teams
21:04 Hiring, Standards, and Anti-Selling
𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟
Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.
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27 min
July 29 Ben Affleck Sold His AI Startup to Netflix for $587M (Here's the Real Lesson)
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A VC asked Eric the classic question about SingleBrain: if anyone can build it, what's the moat? His answer: maintenance, optimization, and upgrades are the real business. Then Ben Affleck sells InterPositive to Netflix for $587M in cash: a 16-person team that taught AI how real films are made. Chamath's warning on restricting Chinese AI models, and a full masterclass on networks: the double opt-in, Neil's box-derby story that led to a Hearst introduction, and why you build a network by not trying to.
Key takeaways
◾Industry craft is the moat: vertical tools built by people who know the work win
◾Target buyers who pay for outcomes, not tech teams who build in-house
◾Networks compound through genuine relationships, not business cards
Chapters
00:00 Netflix Buys AI Startup
07:08 AI Tools and Industry Craft
09:00 How Real Networks Grow
𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟
Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.
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25 min
July 28 AI Token Spend Just Matched Payroll at This Company (This Is the Future)
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Eric shares Sahil Lavingia's chart: June 2026 was the first month Gumroad spent as much on AI tokens as on human payroll. They debate what that means at scale, then dig into Elon's Economist interview: AI timelines, universal income, fear marketing, and why 87% of Chinese respondents are net positive on AI while most Americans are afraid. Eric closes on open-source models catching the frontier and why regulation can't put the genie back.
Key takeaways
◾AI spend matching payroll is coming for more companies; the only question is speed
◾Fear is a marketing choice: how leaders talk about AI shapes adoption
◾Open-source models catching up changes the whole regulatory debate
Chapters
00:00 Gumroad's AI Payroll Shift
01:59 Elon's AI Future Debate
07:48 Free Markets vs Regulation
08:33 Home Base and New Deals
11:11 Organic Growth and Enterprise Sales
𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟
Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.
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Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel
16 min
July 27 The Most Popular Brand Isn't the Most Profitable (Beckham, Claude & a $1B Raise)
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Eric brings marketing lessons from Lake Como: a fourth-generation craftsman selling $1,000-quality shoes for $150, and why a couple of grand a month on a hotel display case beats most ad spend. Then the World Cup: Haaland won the brand game, and Beckham proves popularity is not the same thing as profit. Neil shows ChatGPT at 77 on Google Trends vs Claude at 19, while Anthropic wins on revenue. They close on Junior Bridgman's quiet path from NBA bench to $1.4 billion and IM8's billion from General Catalyst's Customer Value Fund.
Key takeaways
◾The best-known brand is not automatically the most profitable business
◾Compounding beats stardom: interest plus time wins
◾Sometimes the right move is not scaling
Chapters
00:00 Marketing Lessons from a Lake Como Conference
03:10 World Cup Brand Power
08:27 Compute and AI Constraints
13:12 Behind the Scenes at Events
14:43 Beckham and Business Compounding
17:12 Raising a Billion for Growth
𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟
Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.
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23 min
July 23 GPT Sol 5.6 vs Claude Fable 5 For Marketing (Which Wins?)
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Eric tested GPT Sol 5.6 against Claude Fable 5 on real marketing jobs: websites, thumbnails, clips, recruiting, and growth analysis. Final score: Sol 4, Fable 0 - even though Fable had better ideas and design. They also unpack Anthropic and Blackstone's $1.5B bet that implementation is the next trillion-dollar AI business, model wars, valuations, and why marketing pressure is finally easing.
Key takeaways
◾The new model benchmark is finishing jobs, not sounding smart
◾Implementation, not models, is the next AI gold rush
◾Expectations are normalizing: marketing pressure is easing
Chapters
00:00 Sol 5.6 vs Fable 5 and the model wars
08:24 Chips, bottlenecks, and AI demand
09:41 Valuations, PE, and services
18:19 Marketing pressure is easing
𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟
Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.
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26 min
July 22 AI Marketing Loops That You Should Build Today
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Eric shows Neil the AI marketing loops Single Grain actually has live: a CRO loop, an AEO/SEO loop that drafts TOFU-MOFU-BOFU content straight to the CMS, and a sponsorship loop that negotiates $25k minimums on its own. Plus why you should stop using LLMs for math and route tokens to cheap deterministic systems, and how compounding loops beat one-off prompts.
Key takeaways
◾Loops that report back and improve beat one-off prompts
◾Route math to deterministic systems, not LLMs
◾A sponsorship loop can handle the back and forth for you
Chapters
00:00 Stop using LLMs for math: token routing
03:50 AI marketing loops you should build today
07:05 Travel, recruiting, and follow-up
11:48 Cold calling and the brand payoff
𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟
Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.
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Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial
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22 min
July 21 What Part Of Your Company Would You Rebuild From Scratch With AI?
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Neil and Eric answer the question Eric asked a room of 9-10 figure operators: what part of your company would you rebuild from scratch if AI were native from day one? They dig into fully automated recruiting funnels, the dentist model for agencies where seniors diagnose and agents do the repetitive work, and why SEO conferences feel like they are lagging the actual market.
Key takeaways
◾Almost every operator would rebuild recruiting first
◾The new agency model: humans diagnose, agents execute
◾SEO is lagging: AEO and agents are where attention is going
Chapters
00:00 What would you rebuild from scratch with AI?
02:28 AI-powered recruiting and deals
05:32 The new agency model: everyone as a dentist
08:15 MozCon and why SEO is lagging
𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟
Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.
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Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial
Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel
16 min
July 20 What Eric Learned From Hosting A 9-10 Figure AI Operators Dinner
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Neil and Eric break down what Eric learned hosting a dinner of 9-10 figure AI operators, and why AI is forcing companies to redesign compensation. They get into AI margin expansion showing up in boring workflows, the burnout wave hitting tech, and how to keep pay fair when AI-native A-players produce 5-10x output. A candid episode on incentives, culture, and looking after your team while everything changes.
Key takeaways
◾9-10 figure operators would rebuild recruiting and ops AI-native first
◾AI-native A-players break same-title salary bands
◾Margin wins are hiding in boring workflows, not sexy demos
Chapters
00:00 What a 9-10 figure AI operators dinner revealed
03:07 AI margins and compensation
07:32 Burnout and the tech survey
15:18 AI productivity and fair pay
17:30 Fairness, sacrifice, and culture
21:45 Supporting sick team members
𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟
Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.
🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts
Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial
Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel
26 min

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Neil Patel and Eric Siu bring you daily ACTIONABLE digital marketing lessons that they've learned through years of being in the trenches. Whether you have a new website or you're an established business, you'll learn the latest SEO, content marketing, social media, email marketing, conversion optimization and general online marketing strategies that work today from people that actually practice marketing and operate business. Approaching 100M downloads with 2,500+ episodes, you're sure to find something that will help you grow faster. Also don't forget to subscribe to our Marketing School Youtube channel to get more marketing goodness.