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Neil asks Eric to name the two things he is actually doing for the rest of 2026, and the answer is less about tools than you would expect. Along the way they share their own survey of 100 companies on AI agent adoption, and the numbers are far below the hype. Neil also gives away the specific tactic he is using to get cited by ChatGPT and Gemini.

Key takeaways
◾Of 100 companies surveyed, only 17 use AI agents in marketing at all, and just 3.5% of their marketing staff.
◾The fastest route into AI answers is getting into the same articles that already cite your competitors.
◾Shipping constantly beats one big launch. Staying top of mind is the strategy.

Chapters
00:00 Marketing and Hiring Priorities
02:55 What Counts as an Agent
06:20 2026 Focus Areas
10:43 Europe and Service Expansion

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Reddit's citations in ChatGPT have collapsed to almost nothing, and so have the review sites. Eric pulls up the PromptWatch data live and Neil reads what it means for anyone who built a strategy on those placements. Then they turn to the money side: how to underwrite a deal, what a creative agency is really worth, and what Sequoia's 'services are the new software' thesis does to agency valuations.

Key takeaways
◾Reddit and the big review sites have been almost entirely cut out of ChatGPT's citations.
◾The marketer's job is shifting from ranking pages to being the source an AI quotes.
◾Founder retention is not one structure. Name which model each founder is actually in before you buy.

Chapters
00:00 Reddit’s Decline
01:57 The Marketer’s Shift
04:14 Deal Underwriting Logic
07:36 Valuing Creative Agencies
12:56 M&A Patience Pays
18:01 Eric's Agency M&A Thesis

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Eric and Neil open on Travis Kalanick's take on founders, and end up somewhere much less comfortable: the research says the people pushed hardest early on are rarely the ones who end up best. They get into what founder drive actually is, why the two of them handle being crossed differently, how first-principles thinking changes a deal, and the Four Seasons founder's brutal one-line definition of excellence.

Key takeaways

◾Being a founder is about pushing, not driving. The title on the org chart is not what makes it work.

◾Across 34,000 top performers, early standouts and eventual world-class performers are almost never the same people.

◾Excellence, per the Four Seasons founder, is the capacity to take pain. Suffering is built into the job.

Chapters

00:00 Founder Drive

04:20 Seasons of Work

08:32 What Actually Makes Them Angry

11:53 First Principles Dealmaking

13:58 Protein and Macros

16:25 Trade-Offs Everywhere

17:55 Tiger Parent Pressure

20:27 Raising Without Resentment

24:01 Defining Excellence

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Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.

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A cafe in San Francisco lets startups pay to brand the drinks, so you can order an ElevenLatte or a MongoDB Greens. Eric thinks it is genius and cheap. Then the segment everyone will argue about: an Instagram reel showing a brand that does not exist ranked number one on ChatGPT for a real query. Neil and Eric take apart how it was done, why AEO is still SEO underneath, what Kimi's download and DAU curve says about Chinese model adoption, and why the Philippines back office grew instead of collapsing after ChatGPT.

Key takeaways
◾Brand in the places your buyer already stands, not just the feed
◾If you can game it, it is a ranking system, and ranking systems are SEO
◾AI made offshore work more valuable, employment is up 20% and revenue up 30%

Chapters
00:00 Intro Etiquette Matters
00:07 Branding in Public Places
03:22 Ranking on ChatGPT
05:34 AEO Is Still SEO
06:16 Kimi’s Growth Surge
08:41 Marketable Moments Matter
12:19 AI Creates More Jobs

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China is releasing models that are not as good and are good enough, at a fraction of the cost, and getting real penetration in the United States. Neil and Eric work through what that does to pricing, then get to WD-40, which used Amazon's generative video ads to triple daily unit volume with an 86% new-to-brand rate and a 45% higher click-through rate. Eric's answer to every founder asking whether this kills agencies is the same question back: who is going to maintain it. He had that exact conversation with a multi-billion dollar hospitality company this week.

Key takeaways
◾Good enough at a tenth of the price is a pricing event, not a quality debate
◾AI ad production collapses cost per asset, it does not manage the account
◾Every founder building agents for each team member is telling you they are understaffed

Chapters
00:00 China’s Price Disruption
03:55 Raising the AI Bar
05:10 Marketing Needs Adaptability
08:43 Singapore’s AI Optimism
11:05 WD-40’s AI Ad Win
15:13 Why Agencies Still Matter
15:37 Agentic Web Future

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Clay Collins predicts the indie hacker is about to get crushed by the direct response marketer who learned to ship software, and Neil and Eric react as two people who have straddled both sides. Their generation sold ebooks and courses because that was the only thing you could build without engineers, and the wall was never talent, it was operational. That wall is gone. They also cover the SBA loan changes worth watching, and then the harder question underneath all of it: if AI does the thinking, what happens to the people who stop wanting to think.

Key takeaways
◾The engineering advantage evaporated, the marketing advantage did not
◾Twenty years of learning how to make strangers care now ships in a weekend
◾Cognitive polarization is the real risk, not job replacement

Chapters
00:00 Content, Careers, and Time
04:22 SBA Loan Changes
05:29 Direct Marketers in Software
11:29 Intelligence and Volition
17:48 AI Sentiment Divide
19:16 Wealth Preservation Fears

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Vercel's Guillermo Rauch says agent-led growth replaces product-led growth: let agents adopt your product first, take meetings only if you have to, and treat months of meetings as the signal that this was never your customer. Eric runs it against the Higgsfield playbook, zero to $400M ARR in fourteen months on daily X launches and thousands of creators posting every day. It closes on Leopold's LP letter, Charlie Munger's three ways to go broke, and what four turns of leverage does to a 20% drawdown.

Key takeaways
◾If an agent cannot discover, read, and use your product, you are invisible to the next buyer
◾Distribution at Higgsfield's pace is a daily habit, not a campaign
◾Leverage turns a recoverable drawdown into an unrecoverable one

Chapters
00:00 From PLG to ALG
02:48 AI Distribution Machines
10:35 Leverage, Risk, and Scale

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A Procter & Gamble study shows every single role is now part marketing and part engineering, whatever the job title says. Eric maps it to the Coinbase pot-of-one idea and admits he builds more than he used to. From there: how Palantir landed and expanded on the cheap with forward-deployed engineers, why today's wow is tomorrow's average, and a long practical walkthrough of running ChatGPT Voice as a hands-free agent that controls the other agents on his machine.

Key takeaways
◾Every role is converging on part marketer, part builder, regardless of title
◾Forward-deployed engineering is a sales motion, not an engineering one
◾Voice is the interface that makes an agent stack usable while you do other things

Chapters
00:00 Everyone Becomes a Builder
07:50 AI Changes Workflows
12:47 Voice Agents at Work

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Would you burn an entire year of profit, walk away from your core customer, and bet the company on unproven technology that falls flat for its first twelve months? That is the decision NVIDIA actually made, and Eric walks through it from Thinking Machine. Neil answers honestly. The back half turns personal: Neil is recording from Legoland mid-vacation, and the two get into what it took to actually take the time off, being alone with his kids for the first time, and what that trade looks like when you run a company.

Key takeaways
◾The bets that look reckless in year one are the ones with no competition in year five
◾Founder control is what makes an unpopular decade-long bet survivable
◾Time off is an operating decision, not a reward you earn later

Chapters
00:00 Nvidia's Big Bet
04:18 The Sega Deal and Near-Bankruptcy
08:59 Six Flat Years After CUDA
12:14 Vacation and Family Life
17:52 Bored on Vacation, Hunting Deals