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Jess and Jess kick off SEASON 4 with a characteristically vulnerable, and at times, uncomfortable, reflection on the last three seasons of podcasting, and how the state of openness and abundance is informing how they move forward in the podcast, and in their lives.
This season's conversation will be geared around the word, the feeling, the reality of ABUNDANCE- what it brings up for them, how it challenges them and how the mindset of scarcity and finite goodness actually holds them back from the purpose of what they set out to do.
Abundance is a practice makes progress state of mind- but it sure is worth it.
The Two Jess(es) are beyond excited to kick off this next season with a trust they've never had before, an openness they hope to share with their audience, and an overflow of goodness as they continue to bring all sorts of conversations your way!

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Abundance. 
More than enough.
Plenty. 
Jess and Jess are ready to tackle that concept and will be bringing you all sorts of ideas, experiences and opinions around the idea, reality and state of being in abundance for the entire next season!

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Jess and Jess love to talk about grief. So this week's conversation with licensed grief therapist, Edy Nathan, around her bestselling book, "It's Grief," where she examines the emotional and devastating impact of loss and trauma.
Grief is hard to talk about- but in this conversation, grief is framed within the context of the Hero/Shero's journey- a state of true transformation. She says there is nothing normal about-never has been, never will be- but that it can become an ally as we find a new normal in that space in our lives that is ready to be changed.

Meet Dr. Edie:
Edy Nathan MA, LCSWR is an author, public speaker and licensed
therapist. She is an AASECT certified sex therapist, hypnotherapist and
certified EMDR practitioner with more than 20 years of experience. Edy earned degrees from New York University and Fordham University, with post-graduate training at the Ackerman Institute for Family Therapy. She practices in New York City. In her expertise as a grief therapist she interweaves her formal training as a psychotherapist with breathwork, guided imagery, ritual and storytelling. Trauma, abuse, and grief cause the soul to become imbalanced: The goal of the work is to find emotional calibration or balance to defy the depth of darkness and the grip grief often has on the psyche. 
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Ableism. It's everywhere- in the media, in our schools, in the line at the supermarket. But how many of us actually understand what it is, and the part we play in it? Alycia Anderson, founder and CEO of The Alycia Anderson Company, LLC. Working tirelessly to educate companies and other founders on diversity, equity, inclusion, Alycia considers herself a bridge for everyone to see what is possible. Born in the 70's, wheelchair bound, and with an identical twin sister who was not, Alycia's parents were her first teachers in advocacy and raised her to develop and employ her strategic tool of belief- that she could do whatever her sister could do, wheelchair or not. This practice paved the way for Alycia as she has moved through life, and career, educating, advocating and showing the world that anything is possible. 

In this episode, Jess and Jess chat with Alycia about her work on disabling ableism- how ableism continues to show up in all sorts of forms, and how they can become allies in this state of being that is crying out for change.

Meet Alycia!
Alycia Anderson is a TEDx speaker, founder & CEO, inclusion champion, disability advocate, DEI &accessibility change-maker and a believer in possible. Alycia holds a European Masters Degree in Adapted Physical Activity emphasizing the benefits, practices and principles of inclusion. She is a tennis player, cyclist, identical twin and has been a wheelchair user since birth. Alycia shares her journey globally to help communities and companies understand the true benefits inherent to building a diverse and inclusive workplace and society. Alycia right sizes everyday obstacles to open your mind to a world of possibility.

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What defines a toxic relationship? Well, it's a spectrum- and it isn't JUST about intimate relationships- it can by any relationship that feels unhealthy. And you are the only person who gets to decide when it feels unhealthy for YOU.
The toxic personalities are all about filling themselves up, says Dr. Heidi, and because many of us, especially as women, are fulfilled in life by serving others, we are prime targets for a toxic person.
Jess and Jess have so many questions in this episode- and a few realizations. If you have wondered why you keep ending up in relationships where you feel unappreciated, controlled, or manipulated...this episode is one epiphany after another.


Meet Dr. Heidi Brocke!
Heidi Brocke is a Toxic Relationship Awareness & Healing Specialist. After spending 14 years in an extremely emotionally and narcissistically abusive relationship she broke the chains and turned her past into her passion; She left her 24 years career in healthcare to use her life experience and education to be the person she needed when she herself was trapped in the darkness of an unhealthy relationship to provide hope, healing, and freedom to those whose lives have been affected by toxic relationships, emotional abuse, and narcissistic behaviors.
Through education, she presents the understanding needed to empower others to walk through fear and into their freedom.
Today she has helped hundreds rid and heal their toxic relationships and hosts the popular podcast, It’s not Normal, It’s Toxic-rid your life of toxic people - with over a million listens worldwide.
She’s an international keynote speaker, recipient of Empowering Women in Business of The Year award by Inspiring Lives Magazine, and has been featured in both Forbes and Time Magazines for the dedication given to her clients and for her work in the toxic relationship area.

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What does it mean to be "too old?" Bonnie Marcus has researched this question considerably and  maintains that we, as women, hold ourselves back with self-sabotaging beliefs that we are too old to be taken seriously, or move to the next professional step.
Bonnie has made it her mission to support women of all ages, but especially those who are 50+ as they continue to grow in their professional goals, and fight the gendered ageism that continues to show up time and again in the workplace.
Jess and Jess have a lot of questions for Bonnie about how to battle gendered ageism in their own minds as they continue to grow this podcast and their respective businesses- and in their professional networks.
Only 9% of public companies address ageism as something that exists in their workplace, let alone, the intersectionality of gendered ageism. Bonnie explains why things MUST change- because our lifespans are NOT linear. We change careers over and over at any part of our lives, and the workplace MUST evolve accordingly.

Meet Bonnie!
Award winning entrepreneur, Forbes contributing writer, speaker, and executive coach, Bonnie Marcus, M.Ed., assists professional women to successfully navigate the workplace and position and promote themselves to advance their careers. She is a leading expert in gendered ageism in the workplace. Her latest book, Not Done Yet! How Women Over 50 Regain Their Confidence and Claim Their Workplace Power, shines a light on
this issue and gives women the tools and the voice to defy ageist assumptions to stay marketable and keep their job.
With 20+ years of sales and management experience, Bonnie’s extensive business background includes CEO of a ServiceMaster company and VP of Sales at Medical Staffing Network and two others national companies in the healthcare and software industries. She has held executive positions in startup companies
and Fortune 500 companies.
Bonnie started her corporate career at an entry-level position and worked her way up to the top of a national
company. Her passion is now to help other women embrace their talent and ambition and step into their full potential and workplace power. Bonnie shares her message globally through speaking engagements, live and virtual workshops, blogging, and her popular podcast, Badass Women at Any Age. Bonnie’s first book, The Politics of Promotion: How High Achieving Women Get Ahead and Stay Ahead, provides a roadmap for women to navigate the complexities of the workplace and position themselves for success. A certified coach, Bonnie has been honored by Global Gurus as one of the world’s top 30 coaches in 2015-2022. She has been acknowledged as one of the top 100 keynote speakers in 2018 by Databird
Research Journal.
Bonnie received a BA from Connecticut College and a M.Ed. from New York University.
Bonnie’s website is www.BonnieMarcusLeadership.com. She can be reached by email at
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It is undisputed that COVID-19 has wreaked havoc on all of us, worldwide. Job juggling, The Great Resignation, social justice, Black Lives Matter, our health, and overall peace of mind- but more than anything, our CHILDREN- what about the children? Not one of us has escaped this mess unscathed.

In her new book, The Stolen Year (due out August 23, 2022) National Public Radio reporter, Anya Kamenetz shares with Jess and Jess her research around the American education system as "the biggest, most reliable social welfare institution for 50 million children" and how it failed our children during the pandemic. Kids don't stop developing, even though the world stopped for a time. And now, we have some things to sort out.
Anya follows five families across the US as they endure the first year of the pandemic. Her findings and reflections make for interestingly jolting conversation, and the book is a must read as we head back into the school year, still dealing with the past, present and future of COVID.

Meet Anya:
Anya Kamenetz is an education correspondent for NPR. Previously she worked as a staff writer for Fast Company magazine. She's contributed to the New York Times, Washington Post, New York Magazine, Slate, and O, the Oprah Magazine, and has won multiple awards for her reporting on education, technology, and innovation. She is the author of four books: Generation Debt, DIY U, The Test, and The Art of Screen Time. 

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Dr. Amie Hornaman, a.k.a The Thyroid-Fixer, is a woman on a mission to optimize
thyroid patients around the world and give them their lives back using her proprietary
transformational program: The FIX Method. She is also the founder of the Institute for
Thyroid and Hormone Optimization.
After her own experience of insufferable symptoms, misdiagnoses and improper
treatment, Dr. Amie set out to help others who she KNEW were going through the same
set of frustrations and who were on the same medical roller coaster.
In this episode, JessB shares her very personal experience with thyroid cancer, and the ongoing complications that it brings. From Graves disease to Hashimoto's- this episode covers it ALL when it comes to the never ending conversation.

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As we move out of some of the loneliest years in recent history as a result of isolating, covid and ever polarizing events causing division in our world,  Jess and Jess sit down with wellness and loneliness expert, Olivia Ash.
Olivia breaks down the actual definition loneliness and how often project our perceived impressions are what we create our own definition of loneliness  to be. As we watch the world go by on social media, as Covid rates sore at different moments and we have to isolate- Olivia shares her research around the opportunities that loneliness actually bring us, to know ourselves more fully, and to find creative ways to express ourselves.

Meet Liv!
Wellness expert Olivia ("Liv") Ash, Esq., MS will discuss results from her forthcoming publication on how to recognize loneliness and implement positive solutions to manage it. Liv is an Indiana-licensed attorney working as full-time Associate General Counsel for an Indianapolis-based corporation.  Liv also teaches well-being courses as Adjunct Faculty for Indiana University's School of Health and Human Sciences. Liv received her BS and MS in Exercise Science & Education and is an Indiana-licensed teacher. As a creative outlet and means to share knowledge, Liv founded Liv Balanced, LLC where visitors will learn about well-being, art, and fashion. Olivia paints abstract art and enjoys the outdoors. 

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Safety expert and former scientist, Cathy Pedrayes is best known to her 2.3 million TikTok followers as the “mom friend.” With her signature blue dress and pearls, Cathy's content includes clever safety tips, such as how sleeping with a door closed can save a life and go-to lies for awkward situations. Cathy’s safety life hacks have been covered by Good Morning America, Buzzfeed, Today, and more, as well as in her new book published by Simon & Schuester, The Mom Friend Guide to Everyday Safety and Security: Tips From the
Practical One in Your Squad.

Jess and Jess talk safety hacks and run all kinds of security scenarios past Cathy- from buying a new home, to staying in an Air BnB as opposed to a chain hotel as a woman by yourself. Cathy gives a rundown on portable door locks, safety apps for your phone, and ALL THE THINGS.
An important and practical episode for all women- whether you are just going off to college, or living alone as an empty nester- Cathy's book is filled with lifesaving information and advice.

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