Most people approach arguments with one goal in mind: winning. But what if winning an argument actually means losing something far more important—connection?

In this episode, Dr. Tracy sits down with Jefferson Fisher, a trial lawyer and viral communication expert, to explore why people approach conflict the wrong way. Jefferson shares practical strategies that will help you stay in control, reduce defensiveness, and shift from a "you vs. me" mindset to an "us vs. the problem" approach.

In this episode, they discuss:

Why winning an argument often damages the relationship

A simple phrase that instantly de-escalates conflict

How to say difficult things without fear or avoidance

A key mindset shift that transforms the way couples communicate

For anyone who has felt frustrated by recurring fights or struggles to be heard in their relationship, this episode offers game-changing insights. Communication doesn’t have to feel like a battle—learn how to argue better, not harder.

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